[Bruce Richard]

I know I said “one more question” above, but something else came up, at least I think so.

The scans that I was sent, are from what I can tell, doubled. I’m guessing the film was shot at 16 fps, and the transfer house slowed it down to 15 fps, and doubled the frames to the very common 30fps. (opening up a clip in Vegas bears this out, every second frame is a copy)

I’m betting that because of that, it’s probably not the best form to send it thru the deshaker algorithm. I was helped in making an avisynth script for degraining, which took that into consideration and there is a “selecteven” command in it, taking out half the frames. Should something similar be done in this case? If so, what ways are available? I’m guessing there is a way to get avisynth do do deshaker, but those scripts are more than greek to me. I feel somewhat fluent in letting VDub do the deshaking. Any other options, or are the double frames a non issue?

Again, my present workflow (which I might need to change?

Video –> deshaker –> Vegas –> frameserver –> Avisynth –> Vegas for final renders

Thank you John

[Bruce Richard]

Thank you for the very detailed explanation John. It sounds like Cineform is the way I’ll go, unless I can get the 10bit UtVideo to work.

One last question.

I looked into the configure options part of the Cineform codec. (where you select “Encoding quality [low, med, high,…filmscan 1, etc]), should I leave the other two options, “Video Format” and “Pixel Aspect Ratio” where they default to, which is “Automatic”, or should I override those and force them? (As in Square Pixels (1.0) for Pixel Aspect Ratio)

[Bruce Richard]

Thank you John. Yes, the scans are HD.

I tried to see if they would work, and when I am in VD, in compression, when I have my file loaded up and select the “UtVideo Pro YUV422 10bit VCM”, there is a message that says:

Couldn’t find compatible format
Possible reasons:
* Codec may only support YUV
* Codec may be locked
* Codec might be decompression only

Mediainfo says the file is YUV. Any ideas on what’s happening there? Do those reasons point to something you’ve seen before in your experience?

The UtVideo YUV 422 BT .709 VCM works fine.

Is maintaining 10 bit important? After all, it isn’t going to maintain its format, after deshaker it’s an .avi. (Or is it something like it’ll still be 10 bit, just wrapped in an avicontainer? [The real, real nitty gritty about all of this stuff I’m not really very fluent in])

Thr UtVideo codecs are lossless, and the Cineform isn’t, is that correct?

You said “Of course if you want maximum quality, choose one of the FilmScan options”. This is probably taking you out of context, (you probably meant max quality out of the Cineform options) but if not are you saying a lossy (if that is correct) Cineform codec, at max quality is better than a lossless UtVideo codec? (again, if correct)

Thank you again John.

[Bruce Richard]

Thank you both.

If I do, and can’t figure it out, I’m sure I’ll be back here looking for a nudge.

[Bruce Richard]

That was exactly it John, thank you once again! And I’ll give that a try Jorma, thank you also!

[Bruce Richard]

Hello all, been awhile, have an update.

I settled on a format, ProRes, and recieved back a file of 100′ of 8mm film that I sent them.

I did notice the grain.

Now a few reasons. One, my other versions of my movies are like 3rd gen copies, the first gen being VHS, so the old image was pretty smoothed out, with a lot of the detail missing of course. But what I recieved seems excessive, even on the outdoor scenes. Another reason might be the operator error factor when the film was taken, the film itself may have been high ISO, or maybe the lenses weren’t the best, could be anything in that area.

Any tips on cleaning it up in Vegas? I saw this last night and just about drooled. Now, it is shot on high end film, with high end cameras and processing, but looking at the results and comparing with what he started with (link to original included in his post, under the scrteen capture), will I be able to do anything even close to that with Vegas, not the end product mind you, but the degree of improvement?

Here’s the link: https://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=2083&p=334763

Lastly, being ProRes, my sample came in quicktime .mov format. When I render in Vegas, it takes a verrrry long time. (9 minute file took 45 minutes) I never have been able to pick out the optimal option in rendering formats, any thoughts on those? (I know “smart rendering” won’t be an option)

Thank you for any input you all may have

[Bruce Richard]

[Norman Black] “Just drag the right side of the event to the right.”

I was, and it wasn’t working.

Turns out I wasn’t paying attention where I shut off the “loop”. I, not being fluent at all with Vegas (it does so much) just started going through the “Edit, View, Insert, Tools, Options, et., tabs at the top looking for anything resembling “loop”. I came across one in the edit tab, under “switches”, and deselected it. (It was by default, I assume, selected).

Only later, (after googling) did I see the option I needed, under: Options – Preferences – Editing – Enable looping on events by default.

De-selected that, and it works as advertised.

Those menu’s, man, ……………..

Thanks all! I’m not sure if I’ll like it, but at least now I know I can do it, and see it in action.

[Bruce Richard]

[Norman Black] “For your media event turn looping off and extend the event length beyond the end of the media length. The last frame of the media remains displayed. If looping is not turned off, then the media is just restarted from the beginning when you extend the event beyond the media length. You will see a little triangle at the top of the event showing where the media “ends”.”

OK, thank you for your response, but I’m having trouble. I found the option to turn off looping, I cut off the tail end of a sample clip so the last frame was “live” (had an image) and then grabbed the end of the clip and stretched it out a few seconds on the time line.

Maybe that is stretching the “media” and I need to stretch the “event”? If that is the case, I don’t know how to stretch the event apparantly. I googled, (I used “sony vegas extend event length”) but that didn’t bring any really responsive results.

Any pointers?

[Bruce Richard]

Thank you for your input everybody, I’m really leaning towards using ProRes now. I have samples of both ProRes and motionJPEG, although they are of different clips. I’d like to get them of the same scene though to truly compare. I’ll contact the vendor again to see if that’s possible. Thank you again.

[Bruce Richard]

[John Rofrano] “If all you want is to put these on BlueRay, then feed the .TS files directly into tsMuxeR and output to Blu-ray ISO. There will be no rendering as tsMuxeR will simply remux the video and audio into a Blu-ray container. It should only take a few minutes and you just burn the resulting ISO file onto a Blu-ray disc and you’re done. (BTW, the ‘ts’ in tsMuxer standards for Transport Stream which is what your .TS files are so this tool is specifically designed fro what you are doing)”

The reason I went through the other steps was to get the file into a program (in my case, Vegas) that I could edit out portions of it with. I took a quick look at tsMuxeR and it doesn’t appear to have the ability to do that, am I correct in that assumption?

And again, thank you, you’re really being helpful.