“Smart Rendering” question.

[John Rofrano]

[Bruce Richard] “I use Arcsoft ShowBiz which converts it to .m2ts, (AVCHD) “

Vegas Pro can smart render the following formats:

• DV AVI
• DV MXF
• IMX MXF (IMX 24p MXF is not supported for no-recompress rendering)
• XAVC Intra MXF
• HD MXF
• MPEG-2 (for files such as those from HDV and DVD camcorders)
• Panasonic P2
• XDCAM EX supports smart rendering across the following formats:

• SP 18.3 Mbps CBR 1280x720p to/from XDCAM EX and HDV HD-1
• SP 25 Mbps CBR 1440x1080i to/from XDCAM EX, XDCAM HD, and HDV HD-2
• HQ 35 Mbps VBR 1440×1080 to/from XDCAM EX and XDCAM HD
• HQ 35 Mbps VBR 1280x720p to/from XDCAM EX
• HQ 35 Mbps VBR 1920×1080 to/from XDCAM EX

You’ll notice the AVCHD m2ts is NOT in the list.

In order to perform smart rendering, the width, height, frame rate, field order, profile, level, and bit rate of the source media, project settings, and rendering template must match. Frames that have effects, compositing, or transitions applied will be rendered.

~jr

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[Wayne Waag]

You need something like this.

https://www.videoredo.com/en/Products_TVSuite_V5.html

I have an older Hauppauge PVR that I capture from DirecTV. Works very well and also very fast–i.e. it smart-renders. TMPGEnc also makes a product (TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 4) that also works well. Having both, I prefer VideoRedo. I believe they both have a free trial.

wwaag

[Bruce Richard]

[John Rofrano] “You’ll notice the AVCHD m2ts is NOT in the list.

In order to perform smart rendering, the width, height, frame rate, field order, profile, level, and bit rate of the source media, project settings, and rendering template must match. Frames that have effects, compositing, or transitions applied will be rendered.

~jr”

Ok, and thank you for pointing that out for me. Vegas does so much, and I only understand probably singe digits of it percentage wise.

A couple follow on questions.

Is there something I could have done to keep the AC3 audio? Did I miss something selected in the second level Vegas preferences or something? Or would selecting one of the other “=” rendering formats (The Blu-Ray options listed above) have solved that?

Lastly, my ultimate goal is to get these programs off of my DVR and onto Bluray in the highest quality reasonably possible. Would what I am doing (Hauppauge capture to a .ts file, then ShowBiz conversion to m2ts, then selecting the best option in Vegas,) going to get me there? I really like Vegas, and want to maximize my investment in it. (But I don’t want to do circus tricks to do it if other reasonable options exist)

[Bruce Richard]

[Wayne Waag] “You need something like this.

https://www.videoredo.com/en/Products_TVSuite_V5.html

I have an older Hauppauge PVR that I capture from DirecTV. Works very well and also very fast–i.e. it smart-renders. TMPGEnc also makes a product (TMPGEnc Smart Renderer 4) that also works well. Having both, I prefer VideoRedo. I believe they both have a free trial.

wwaag”

Yes, it looks like this may end up being the way I need to go, even though I was hoping to get by with what I already have. Thank you for the reply.

[John Rofrano]

[Bruce Richard] “Is there something I could have done to keep the AC3 audio? Did I miss something selected in the second level Vegas preferences or something? Or would selecting one of the other “=” rendering formats (The Blu-Ray options listed above) have solved that? “

The only thing you could do is not use Vegas Pro for this task. AC3 is a delivery format. Vegas cannot edit it. You need an editor that can just cut whatever you want out of those clips and assemble the rest without rendering.

[Bruce Richard] “Lastly, my ultimate goal is to get these programs off of my DVR and onto Bluray in the highest quality reasonably possible. Would what I am doing (Hauppauge capture to a .ts file, then ShowBiz conversion to m2ts, then selecting the best option in Vegas,) going to get me there?”

If all you want is to put these on BlueRay, then feed the .TS files directly into tsMuxeR and output to Blu-ray ISO. There will be no rendering as tsMuxeR will simply remux the video and audio into a Blu-ray container. It should only take a few minutes and you just burn the resulting ISO file onto a Blu-ray disc and you’re done. (BTW, the ‘ts’ in tsMuxer standards for Transport Stream which is what your .TS files are so this tool is specifically designed fro what you are doing)

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com

[Bruce Richard]

[John Rofrano] “If all you want is to put these on BlueRay, then feed the .TS files directly into tsMuxeR and output to Blu-ray ISO. There will be no rendering as tsMuxeR will simply remux the video and audio into a Blu-ray container. It should only take a few minutes and you just burn the resulting ISO file onto a Blu-ray disc and you’re done. (BTW, the ‘ts’ in tsMuxer standards for Transport Stream which is what your .TS files are so this tool is specifically designed fro what you are doing)”

The reason I went through the other steps was to get the file into a program (in my case, Vegas) that I could edit out portions of it with. I took a quick look at tsMuxeR and it doesn’t appear to have the ability to do that, am I correct in that assumption?

And again, thank you, you’re really being helpful.

[John Rofrano]

[Bruce Richard] “I took a quick look at tsMuxeR and it doesn’t appear to have the ability to do that, am I correct in that assumption?”

Yes, you are correct, tsMuxeR it’s not an editor. It does have the ability to split and cut video but it doesn’t give you a preview windows so it’s next to impossible to use it for real-time editing.

It sounds like VideoReDo might be your best choice.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Wayne Waag]

It sounds like VideoReDo might be your best choice.

I forgot to mention it, but VRD does have a feature called “ad-detective” which searches for suspected ads to assist in their removal, but quite frankly, I’ve never used it. I believe that the TMPGEnc product also has that feature.

wwaag

[Jim Leonard]

Why can’t we all just get along? .MPG, .MTS, .MP4, .OGG Where will it end? I just spent an hour trying to make Google “Like” my Mobile web pages… Now my Sony Blu-Ray doesn’t like to play my 1080 24P video on my Sony 1080P TV that was produced on Sony Vegas. Do I need to buy Sony Electrify?

You might think, if everything is made by one manufacture, the “Smart Rendering” would already be built into the choices. Not So… I can pick “Blu-ray 1920X1080-60i, 16Mbps video stream” from Sony’s video template for Burn Blu-ray Disk Menu that nooo-body can play.

And you don’t know it will not play for 20 minutes while the software makes something that will not play. NOT-smart…

I shoot all the video on a Sony 1080p Cmos camera at 60fps and it looks great on my monitor. Sure wish others could see it (lol)

BTW: When I choose the above mentioned odd video template, the description box on the menu shows “Video: 29.970 fps, 1920×1080 Upper field first, YUV, 16 Mbps” which should work but it will now play.

I’m ready for something “Smart,” Please…

Lenny – Production

[John Rofrano]

If you use the Blu-ray templates and don’t change them, they will produce a Blu-ray disc that plays in everyone’s player. The trick is to not change them. Just use them as-is and they work right out-of-the-box.

~jr

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