Brian Reynolds
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From what I have gathered the camera media is the main source the Shogun / Ninja is the backup…. And if its reliable? I’m out of the loop by then, but if it wasn’t reliable then I doubt it would be used.
Just knowing the OCD level of the DOP that does the shoots. -
Most of my jobs are do the location sound then walk & invoice….. Then a week or so later see the product go to air.
I have known the camera discs failing or the camera op formatting the disc accidentally….
No one ever complains that there are to many copies of the media…… Ever -
I do sound on quite a few TV commercials using the F7 and Blackmagic Ursa and the standard that I use (as they are normally reasonably a fixed camera / slight move)
Is feed a cable + return for monitoring from the audio mixer (my case a SD442) (the SD302 would work equally as well) direct to the camera XLR inputs.
The shogun / Ninja recorders are then fed via HDMI or SDI this feed has the audio now embedded into that signal no need to connect the audio directly into the video recorder.
The advantage of this system is you have a copy of Video / Audio on the camera card another copy of Video / Audio on the external recorder. I do run a backup audio recorder in my audio bag but have never had to use it.
And NO post sync problems in post production.
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The answer to your question is ‘YES’ it can be done……
Here is the tricky bit, the mixer unit has ‘Line Out’ XLR connections and also ‘Meeting out’ RCA connections both of these should give you the signal you need.
DO NOT use the headphone out, they are normally not ideal for what you you want to do and could lead to all sorts of problems, in the hands of casual / inexperienced operators.
BUT the XLR outs are at +4 signal level and the RCA out are at -10 signal level…. The wireless Transmitter is normally about -40 / -50 microphone signal input, so you need to reduce the output of the mixer to match the input of the transmitter this is done with an audio ‘pad’.
The actual connection in to the Tx unit will vary brand to brand and model to model…
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You are right the signal is clipped….
What were you feeding from then into the Zoom H4n?
Mic or line level?
Were you using any in line pads?
What inputs were you using XLR or 6.5mm socket -
As a suggestion Wesley is actually get out and use your gear rather than just read instructions….
I did some teaching for some secondary age students at one stage and gave them an audio task of create a ‘sound picture’ of 30 seconds duration (not 29 or 31 seconds, exactly 30 like a radio commercial).
The title I gave them was ‘coffee’ where they needed to record the sounds, edit, and mix a sequence that matched the task.
They could use any recorder and edit program they chose (Audacity is a good FREE program), some of the results were VERY creative and others were quite bland…..Just a suggestion.
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So Bruce what are you feeding that requires a ‘critical’ +4?
If you are feeding a camera -10 is fine…. It actually works VERY well. -
Just go through the ‘standard’ for of testing…
Different Mic (you have done) try a different brand / model etc,
Different cable,
Different mixer,
Different inputs, etc etc
Does the signal go through any other gear like compressors / insert points on the desk?
See what happens after those tests, Its unusual for a mic to gradually fade in level. -
The Zoom H4n and Rode NTG2 are NOT a good combination…… the Zoom has noisey preamps (if pushed hard) and the NTG2 mic has a very low output…….
There is lots on many forums about this combination, and its not good.
‘Celebrating 40 years of Broadcasting Audio….
Started with Magnetic stripe and Sprocket holes to now Gigabytes and Touch Screen Mixing Consoles’…… -
Don’t worry about the -10db out…. I did a shoot on one of the new Black Magic URSA mini cameras and the F4 went in as a strong mic level, don’t need to go in at line level.
Its better to go in as a strong mic and wind the input down to about 5 (on a 1-10 scale) than go in @ line and wind the gain up to match (and induce noise) Remember that most line inputs are just a 40db pad before going in @ mic level.
The trend on many digital mixers / gear is NOT to have a mic / line setting but a single input that can go from mic to line and anywhere in between.
So unless you are direct feed a ENG link the -10 isn’t an issue.
The F4 is a great package for the price…..
‘Celebrating 40 years of Broadcasting Audio….
Started with Magnetic stripe and Sprocket holes to now Gigabytes and Touch Screen Mixing Consoles’……