Bob Zelin
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this is a GREAT article – a highlight (more for the SAN networks forum) from this article is this about their FCP-X storage –
“All media and render files were kept on the ExaSAN storage, but external of the Final Cut Pro X library files, thus keeping those small. The library files were stored on a separate NFS server (a Mac Mini using NFS Manager from Marcel Bresink Software-Systeme), with a separate FCP X library file for each reel of the film. This enabled the editors and assistants to access any FCP X library file, as long as someone else wasn’t using it at the time. A shared iTunes library for temporary sound effects and music selections was stored on the SAN, with all machines pointing to that location. From within Final Cut, any editor could browse the iTunes library for music and sound effects.”
So kudos to Accusys who makes the ExaSAN. As I am doing more and more FCP-X systems, I am excited to see specific workflows for FCP-X shared storage from QNAP, Accusys and LumaForge – Neil and Sam at LumaForge are doing an AMAZING marketing job on getting the word out about Jellyfish, and they deserve their new success with this product.
Just wait until this NAB – there will be lots of stuff to talk about.
Bob Zelin
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https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/381/819
bottom line –
the Drobo won’t work. Almost everything else, including every product you see here on Creative Cow will work.Bob Zelin
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hello Anabella –
with all due respect, I believe that you are completely wrong. It is my opinion that Drobo currently does not offer one single product that is capable of sharing media in real time between multiple editing systems. The 810n will not work for him, or any video application.At one time, QNAP, Synology, Thecus and Netgear all offered products similar to Drobo, and I constantly “insulted” their products on these user forums, saying that they were inferior to the products that you see advertised here on Creative Cow, from manufacturers like Studio Network Solutions, Accusys, EditShare, Facilis, Maxx Digital, Small Tree, LumaForge, etc.
However, QNAP, Synology, Thecus and Netgear ALL paid attention, and all of them now offer a 10GbE solution for their product line. I often now write about the QNAP TVS-EC1680 and TVS-871T, but certainly Synology, Thecus and Netgear all offer similar professional solutions.
HOWEVER – Drobo is the ONLY network attached storage vendor in this group to NOT offer a 10GbE solution. The Drobo 810n offers at best a bonded 1G connection between only two 1GbE ports, offering the best possibility of MAYBE close to 200 MB/sec, but in fact will probably result in 150 MB/sec. All Drobo has to do is to follow their competitors, and offer a 10GbE option, or solution, and the problem will probably be solved.
In the mean time, I will continue to say that DROBO is a completely unsatisfactory solution for a shared storage enviorment.
I realize that Drobo makes an easy to use NAS backup solution, and for video appliations, as well as office applications, it’s just fine. But for professional hi speed, hi data access from multiple client computers, the Drobo is an inferior solution.
This could be solved if Drobo would stop worrying about MASS marketing of their product, and build a specialty product – as your competitors have – and build a 10GbE solution.
Many companies, including Apple, consider our hi end market to be a “pain in the ass” – but these are the stringent demands that we need to work with HD and 4K video. And currently Drobo does not offer that solution.
Sorry for being insulting. But it’s true.
Bob Zelin
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I have been used to working alone with outside contractors but due to increasing business I have taken on a full time assistant and we both need access to the same assets when editing.
REPLY – since you are doing AVID editing with AVID Media Composer, you cannot use any of these solutions for shared storage. If you want something inexpensive, AVID makes the ISIS 1000, and Facilis makes the 8D and the new SSD8. These allow for doing actual editing between two AVID systems.
For just media backup (and editing with AVID media, but keeping your project and render data on a local drive), the QNAP TVS-871T is a wonderful choice. And if you are NOT using Media Composer (but using Premiere, FCP X, FCP 7, Resolve, After Effects), the QNAP 871T will serve all of your needs without excuses. It is very inexpensive, and expandable with a thunderbolt 8 bay expansion chassis (up to 6 of them). Synology makes a similar system, but Synology is no longer focusing on the video business. I am sure that the Netgear ReadyNas will do the same as well, but it is a LOT more expensive – at that point, you might as well buy the AVID or Facilis, and get exactly what you need.
Bob Zelin
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Drobo, Drobo, Drobo –
why is it that everyone always mentions Drobo. What about QNAP or Synology ?
Is price your only concern. Is your only question going to be “why should I buy a QNAP or Synology, when I can get a Drobo for so much less money ? ”Bob Zelin
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SSDs are used all the time for editing. You can mount SSD’s in any RAID array. AT this coming NAB you will see multiple vendors – Small Tree, Facilis, Open Drive, all showing SSD only RAID arrays. But you can mount SSD’s into any array, with the right adaptor.
Like with SATA drives, if you have enough drives raided together, you can do 4K and above.
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Your Rorke Data Galaxy system is now Scale Logic –
you should contact them, and ask them for support on this.
Please report back what they tell you.Bob Zelin
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Hi –
I am confused by your post. Are you trying to capture across the network using MetaSAN ? What software program are you running to do the capture ?ProRes4444 for UltraHD at 23.98 requires 148.5 MB/sec. Your system is running over 300 MB/sec. ProResHQ for UltraHD at 23.98 is 99 MB/sec.
So your networking running over 300 MB/sec can handle this data transfer. Something else is wrong – not your network.1) tell me what software you are using to do the data transfer
2) try doing the conversion NOT across your network – do it to a local drive. Any 2 drive array will have enough speed to handle this, and certainly any small RAID array.Bob Zelin
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why?
because they are expensive, and relatively small.
If SSD drives were 6TB and cost $260 each, everyone would only use SSD drives.Bob Zelin
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