Andy Patterson
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[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “They are pricey but the prices will drop and the performance will improve. ”
Aren’t you contracting your premise? You are basically saying an overpriced, underpowered Microsoft product will bankrupt Apple.”
An over priced and under powered PC is not the issues. MS created a new paradigm for interacting with the computer. You left that part of the equation out. That is what Apple has to worry about. For PC users Dell and Lenovo can copy the Surface Studio but OS X is stuck in a Windows 95 paradigm. I would like to get a Surface Studio but as of now they are to expensive for me. What will they sell for in 2020 and what will the specs be? The video link below might be worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaEXoGglDQ
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[Oliver Peters] ”
Have you seen any of these in the wild in actual use? If so, in video-centric facilities?”Who said anything about video facilities? The Studio is more for Graphic design (Illustrator & Photoshop). The Surface Studio would not be a wise investment for video editing. You can see people on YouTube using the Surface Studio. Even Leo Laporte (Apple Evangelist) bought one. He likes it. I used one. I liked it. They are pricey but the prices will drop and the performance will improve. Having said that Apple has nothing that will compete against the Surface Studio nor do they have anything to compete against a $1,400.00 gaming PC. Some will stay loyal to Apple others will invest their money else where.
It’s over priced and under powered but it is still the most exciting computer he has used. The 28″ touch screen works great in desktop mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN1jL-2Ez2M
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[Bob Zelin] “Intel i7
4.2 Gig
64 Gig RAM
NVidia GTX 1080 SLI
1TB SATA AND two NVMe 512 Gig SSD’s.
USB C ports and 8 USB 3 ports
in the top “questions answered” – apparently this version comes with TWO 1080 SLI cards. “There is nothing wrong with the system specs. Having said that if I were to have dual GPUs I would probably want an 8 Core i7 CPU if not a 10 Core i7 CPU but it is all subjective to the users needs. On the Windows side you have the option to have Intel, AMD, ATI or Nvidia as well as dual CPUs.
I just made my post to make everyone aware that a gaming PC with an i7 8700K and GTX 1070 would be a good editing system for $1,400.00. A lot of people think you have to buy an HP Xeon system. The Xeons may not be the best bang for the buck when editing video. I think most Apple and Windows users agree that the PC I posted would work just fine for video editing. There is a similar thread on the Adobe forum.
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Your best bet is to get a Coffee Lake i7 8700K CPU. The K version is money well spent. As far a GPU a GTX 1060 will work just fine as the bare minimum but if you can afford a GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 Ti it will serve you well. 16 GB of RAM will work OK but 32 GB would be even better. Some of the systems come with a 256 GB SSD and a 2TB HD. That is not bad but getting four 3TB HD striped in a RAID would be a wise investment f you edit Pro Res or Red One R3D files. If you cannot RAID it yourself a local PC repair shop can. I think most people would agree with my comments. Having said that my PC has some extra gadgets you could probably install yourself. The video link below might be worth watching.
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[Oliver Peters] “I personally think the odds are 50/50 that they may never build the next Mac Pro, if iMac sales do well – both standard and Pro.”
I tend to think it would be a waste of time in the year 2017 but then again Apple OS X is still using a Windows 95 paradigm in 2017. Go figure.
[Oliver Peters] “Plus, if current ads are any indication, there’s certainly a contingent within Apple that believes the future of “computers” is in the iPad and/or maybe MacBooks. I”
Jobs thought the iPad would replace the computer but jobs did a very dumb thing by using a mobile CPU and a mobile OS for the iPad. Because of that the iPad will not run desktop programs.
Having said that we will soon see 6 core and 8 core i7 CPUs in the MS Surface Pro. Along with that Intel and AMD have a partnership and are making a integrated CPU/GPU/RAM processors that will supposedly take mobile computing to the next level. I imagine in another 2-3 years I will use a MS Surface Pro for all my computer needs and ditch my PC. I think I new Mac Pro will be a day late and a dollar short. Technology changes at an exponential rate but Apple computers do not.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-squeezed-amd-graphics-chip-144800166.html
Does Apple have an answer to the MS Surface Studio? If not Apple could go bankrupt like in the past. This time I am not sure if Microsoft would bail them out again for 120 million dollars. 2018 might be hard times for Apple but who knows for sure?
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[manish choudhary] “i have 1 ques. @jeff if i7 are better then why big companies like “Dell” “HP” “Lenovo” uses xeon processors ???”
For the same reason Apple sells the Mac Mini with 16 GB of RAM and a dual core CPU for $900.00 bucks. Some people don’t know any better. Don’t get me wrong I like my Mac Mini I just know Apple over charged me. Having said that I bought the Mac Mini to get experience with the OS X platform.
The link below might be of some interest.
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/99384
For the record a Coffee Lake i7 8700k CPU and GTX 1070 should be enough for most people but a GTX 1080 Ti would not hurt. If you have the money getting an 8 core i7 CPU would not hurt. A 12 Core CPU might be over kill for the price.
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[Bob Zelin] “for the first time in all these years, I am having this conversation more and more. Now – are you referring to a computer for use with FCP X (making this into a Hackintosh),”
I don’t think a Hackintosh for FCPX is wise decision for most people. That is why I bought my Mac Mini.
[Bob Zelin] “, or just a PC to run Resolve and Premiere (and possibly AVID).”
I was thinking for PC programs like Edius, Vegas Video, DR 14, Premiere Pro etc.
[Bob Zelin] “Yea, ASUS and MSI (and others) are making some fantastic looking products.”
I agree.
[Bob Zelin] “And while most people are not willing to build their own Win 10 PC, companies like ASUS are making pre fab hi end models for less than a HP Z840 or Dell Precision, that come with NVidia GTX-1080′”
I say never under estimate the power of the GTX 1080 Ti (gaming PC).
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230272
[Bob Zelin] ” So if the blown out iMac Pro is in fact $17,000 retail – well, that’s just crazy. But as has been discussed before, if the iMac Pro can be fitted with a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box for $300 and you stick a AMD Radeon Vega 64 or RX580 in the box – well, this is a cheaper way than paying Apple for a blown out unit.”
I agree. Why buy dual AMD D 500 GPUs? Why not offer the GTX 1080 Ti? The 2013 Mac Pro was not what people were expecting. It will work like the other Apple products but I would prefer what the competition has to offer if I want to edit videos.
[Bob Zelin] “I think that the bottom line here, is that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON on this forum (even Robin) will pay $17,000 for an Apple computer in 2017. Period.”
It is up to the end users to boycott Apple until they offer the price/performance of the competition. Asus, MSI and Lenovo all have to be competitive or they will go bankrupt. Apple not so much.
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They work for me using Firefox.
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Interlaced video is great for broadcasting but it looks crappy on the computer screen. If you have a lot of interlaced video investing in the Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle is money well spent.
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Just shop around and buy what you can afford. The one has a GTX 1080 Ti : )
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230272
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=9SIABFS6DM7488
https://www.microcenter.com/product/488859/CodexXE062US_Desktop_Computer