The new Mac Pro VS MSI?

[Shane Ross]

[andy patterson] “Apple has nothing to compete with this system.”

The current MacPros will blow this config out of the water. Dual Xenons are superior to a single Intel i7 8700. This would be more competition to the current iMac.

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[Greg Janza]

It will be interesting to see how the new macs stack up. Currently, there are endless youtube videos showing PC’s dominating Macs in benchmark tests.

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[Andy Patterson]

[Shane Ross] “The current MacPros will blow this config out of the water. Dual Xenons are superior to a single Intel i7 8700. This would be more competition to the current iMac.”

The Mac Pro for $2999.99 does not have Dual Xeons. In another 6 months some of the $1,4000.00 PC might have the Volta GPUs in them. What good would a D 500 do against Volta? I am not saying the PC will blow away the Mac Pro. I am saying for $1,4000.00 Apple offers nothing to compete with the gaming PCs. Does Apple even offer the Coffee Lake CPUs? The Xeons in the past have been out performed by the i7 just like the GeForce cards outperform the Quadro cards. Having said that Edius and FCPX will will both get a huge performance boost using the i7 as opposed to the Xeon CPU when editing AVCHD/H.264/mpeg4. Perhaps the new Xeons will have Quick Sync. Only time will tell.

[Bob Zelin]

Hi Andy –
for the first time in all these years, I am having this conversation more and more. Now – are you referring to a computer for use with FCP X (making this into a Hackintosh), or just a PC to run Resolve and Premiere (and possibly AVID).
Yea, ASUS and MSI (and others) are making some fantastic looking products. And while most people are not willing to build their own Win 10 PC, companies like ASUS are making pre fab hi end models for less than a HP Z840 or Dell Precision, that come with NVidia GTX-1080’s. And of course, there is always Boxx Systems and Puget Systems (and probably others). So if the blown out iMac Pro is in fact $17,000 retail – well, that’s just crazy. But as has been discussed before, if the iMac Pro can be fitted with a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box for $300 and you stick a AMD Radeon Vega 64 or RX580 in the box – well, this is a cheaper way than paying Apple for a blown out unit.

I think that the bottom line here, is that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON on this forum (even Robin) will pay $17,000 for an Apple computer in 2017. Period.
https://247wallst.com/technology-3/2017/07/06/building-a-17000-apple-imac-pro/
https://www.macdiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1085.0
and plenty of other links.

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[Andy Patterson]

[Bob Zelin] “for the first time in all these years, I am having this conversation more and more. Now – are you referring to a computer for use with FCP X (making this into a Hackintosh),”

I don’t think a Hackintosh for FCPX is wise decision for most people. That is why I bought my Mac Mini.

[Bob Zelin] “, or just a PC to run Resolve and Premiere (and possibly AVID).”

I was thinking for PC programs like Edius, Vegas Video, DR 14, Premiere Pro etc.

[Bob Zelin] “Yea, ASUS and MSI (and others) are making some fantastic looking products.”

I agree.

[Bob Zelin] “And while most people are not willing to build their own Win 10 PC, companies like ASUS are making pre fab hi end models for less than a HP Z840 or Dell Precision, that come with NVidia GTX-1080′”

I say never under estimate the power of the GTX 1080 Ti (gaming PC).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230272

[Bob Zelin] ” So if the blown out iMac Pro is in fact $17,000 retail – well, that’s just crazy. But as has been discussed before, if the iMac Pro can be fitted with a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box for $300 and you stick a AMD Radeon Vega 64 or RX580 in the box – well, this is a cheaper way than paying Apple for a blown out unit.”

I agree. Why buy dual AMD D 500 GPUs? Why not offer the GTX 1080 Ti? The 2013 Mac Pro was not what people were expecting. It will work like the other Apple products but I would prefer what the competition has to offer if I want to edit videos.

[Bob Zelin] “I think that the bottom line here, is that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON on this forum (even Robin) will pay $17,000 for an Apple computer in 2017. Period.”

It is up to the end users to boycott Apple until they offer the price/performance of the competition. Asus, MSI and Lenovo all have to be competitive or they will go bankrupt. Apple not so much.

[Craig Seeman]

But you can get a BTO Late 2014 MacMini with a 4th generation Dual Core i7 processor with integrated Intel Iris GPU for $1900. With that option why would anyone want an 8th generation Hex Core i7 with GTX 1080 for $1500? ????

Are the two TB2 ports and case design worth that much? ????

Perhaps Apple is about to replace the MacMini with something more realistically priced.

[Bernard Newnham]

“It is up to the end users to boycott Apple until they offer the price/performance of the competition. Asus, MSI and Lenovo all have to be competitive or they will go bankrupt. Apple not so much.”

I can’t help feeling that a boycott would be completely unnoticed by Apple, so wasted time. On the other hand, those boycotting would find a whole new and much cheaper world, and never return.

I’ve been building computers since the mid-nineties. My first was because I couldn’t get what I wanted for a graphics system at the BBC and no-one in engineering would help. So – a Matrox Digisuite with a Windows NT built round it. That first machine build was really scary and was physically tricky. The job has became much easier down the years, and is now much like Lego. Pretty much anything plugs into anything and generally just works. No more watching those blue dots hoping that NT will load.

I’m certain that anyone with any technical skill at all could build a computer. There are heaps of DIY videos on YouTube, and somewhere amongst the dross there’s bound to be one that’s helpful. I’ve managed it about ten times now without any kind of tutor. It must be easy.

Bernie

[Greg Janza]

[Craig Seeman] “With that option why would anyone want an 8th generation Hex Core i7 with GTX 1080 for $1500?”

Because on the PC side you can take advantage of CUDA processing which is superior to OpenGL.

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[Oliver Peters]

[Bob Zelin] “I think that the bottom line here, is that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON on this forum (even Robin) will pay $17,000 for an Apple computer in 2017. Period. “

While quite true, the “entry-level” iMac Pro at $5K is the comparable machine to the 8-core 2013 Mac Pro with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD at $5K. Except with the iMac Pro you get a newer vintage CPU, a gorgeous display, TB3, and 10GigE. That $5K 2013 Mac Pro is a similar Mac Pro to what I’m sitting in front of right now, so if the iMac Pro can deliver comparable or better performance, I’d say it’s a good deal. An 18-core/128GB RAM machine is overkill for video editing and most After Effects work.

– Oliver

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[Steve Connor]

[Bernard Newnham] “So – a Matrox Digisuite with a Windows NT built round it. That first machine build was really scary and was physically tricky.”

I made a couple of those, I really liked the Digisuite Cards, especially on those infrequent times when Matrox drivers worked properly

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