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The new Mac Pro VS MSI?
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I concur Oliver – the base iMac Pro is only around $1600 more than a similar config iMac so a relative bargain. But beyond that I’m not sure who would buy a maxed out iMac Pro? It would be overkill for most editing gigs and inadequate for CG effects, animation, compositing etc compared to a maxed out HP or Dell. It’s still only a SINGLE XEON!
I would rather see a 6 or 8 core option for the current iMac which at street prices is just a few hundred dollars. There is little need for ECC memory or Xeons for editing or Photoshop. So just not sure who the “Pro” is that Apple is targeting? I have friends at Dreamworks and they are not going to abandon their dual Xeon Quadro 6000 workstations for an iMac Pro.
The $1400 PC that started the thread is more than enough for most editing gigs BUT it can’t run FCPX or render out a Pro Res file so sadly useless to me. I would much rather but;ld and 8 core PC with Samsung m.2 drive and Quadro card but my clients need Pro Res 🙁
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Lance Bachelder] “But beyond that I’m not sure who would buy a maxed out iMac Pro?”
My guess is that the iMac Pro is a stop-gap measure to appease the folks who are restless about a Mac Pro refresh. I think the maxed-out configuration is probably only theoretical. They can do it, but probably know that almost no one will buy that variation. The iMac Pro is something they could get out the door this year that would satisfy most pro users, while they contemplate what to do about the Mac Pro. And has anyone actually confirmed that the CPU is a Xeon and not an i7 successor?
I personally think the odds are 50/50 that they may never build the next Mac Pro, if iMac sales do well – both standard and Pro. OTOH, part of it may simply be politics, assuming another Mac Pro is still assembled in the US. Maybe they’ll release one for brownie points even if it loses money.
As far as the iMac line, it is the direct descendent in spirit from the original Macintosh, so I think it has an advantage as being the only Apple desktop machine (other than maybe the Mini). Plus, if current ads are any indication, there’s certainly a contingent within Apple that believes the future of “computers” is in the iPad and/or maybe MacBooks. I already encounter people in the industry who own the minimal in personal computing (relying only on phones and tablets and maybe laptops) and only use “real” computers at their job.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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Yes the Apple site says XEON 8, 10 or 16 core but not dual like was said above I think. Also ECC ram which I don’t think runs on an i7? I think you’re right very few will ever order a maxed iMac Pro…
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Oliver Peters] “I personally think the odds are 50/50 that they may never build the next Mac Pro, if iMac sales do well – both standard and Pro.”
I tend to think it would be a waste of time in the year 2017 but then again Apple OS X is still using a Windows 95 paradigm in 2017. Go figure.
[Oliver Peters] “Plus, if current ads are any indication, there’s certainly a contingent within Apple that believes the future of “computers” is in the iPad and/or maybe MacBooks. I”
Jobs thought the iPad would replace the computer but jobs did a very dumb thing by using a mobile CPU and a mobile OS for the iPad. Because of that the iPad will not run desktop programs.
Having said that we will soon see 6 core and 8 core i7 CPUs in the MS Surface Pro. Along with that Intel and AMD have a partnership and are making a integrated CPU/GPU/RAM processors that will supposedly take mobile computing to the next level. I imagine in another 2-3 years I will use a MS Surface Pro for all my computer needs and ditch my PC. I think I new Mac Pro will be a day late and a dollar short. Technology changes at an exponential rate but Apple computers do not.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-squeezed-amd-graphics-chip-144800166.html
Does Apple have an answer to the MS Surface Studio? If not Apple could go bankrupt like in the past. This time I am not sure if Microsoft would bail them out again for 120 million dollars. 2018 might be hard times for Apple but who knows for sure?
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[andy patterson] ” What about Lenovo, Dell, MSI, Asus and HP? “
What about them? Are they about to launch new computers that people have been clamoring for for years?
[andy patterson] “It is up to the end users to boycott Apple until they offer the price/performance of the competition. Asus, MSI and Lenovo all have to be competitive or they will go bankrupt. Apple not so much.”
The only time Apple has tried to price down to the competition they nearly went bankrupt (the Clone years). By not competing on specs alone Apple wisely avoid the race to the bottom that cratered the personal computer market. While Dell, HP, MSI, etc., are forced to compete mainly on price because they all get their main parts and OS from the same venders Apple markets a wholistic experience that can only be provided by them. Sony tried to do something similar with it’s VIAO line but it wasn’t sustainable.
[andy patterson] “why doesn’t the new iMac Pro keyboard come with the touch bar? “
IIRC the touch bar is powered by an ARM CPU running iOS so putting that into a wireless keyboard probably isn’t practical at this point in time.
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I fully appreciate the fact that you want to run FCP X, and that you have a delivery requirement for ProRes.
I am just continuing the conversation about the easy instant availability of powerful PRE ASSEMBLED Win PC’s from companies like ASUS.This is a ASUS ROG GT51CA for under $3500
https://www.amazon.com/GT51CA-XB71K-GTX1080SLI-Overclocked-overclockable-GeForce-Graphics/dp/B01K1JWD9AIntel i7
4.2 Gig
64 Gig RAM
NVidia GTX 1080 SLI
1TB SATA AND two NVMe 512 Gig SSD’s.
USB C ports and 8 USB 3 ports
in the top “questions answered” – apparently this version comes with TWO 1080 SLI cards.All I know is that this is cheap. And you don’t have to put it together yourself. For running Resolve, Premiere, etc.
and again – I KNOW it won’t run FCP X.Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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[Bob Zelin] “Intel i7
4.2 Gig
64 Gig RAM
NVidia GTX 1080 SLI
1TB SATA AND two NVMe 512 Gig SSD’s.
USB C ports and 8 USB 3 ports
in the top “questions answered” – apparently this version comes with TWO 1080 SLI cards. “There is nothing wrong with the system specs. Having said that if I were to have dual GPUs I would probably want an 8 Core i7 CPU if not a 10 Core i7 CPU but it is all subjective to the users needs. On the Windows side you have the option to have Intel, AMD, ATI or Nvidia as well as dual CPUs.
I just made my post to make everyone aware that a gaming PC with an i7 8700K and GTX 1070 would be a good editing system for $1,400.00. A lot of people think you have to buy an HP Xeon system. The Xeons may not be the best bang for the buck when editing video. I think most Apple and Windows users agree that the PC I posted would work just fine for video editing. There is a similar thread on the Adobe forum.
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Though not realistically related, but I believe Apple will build another Mac Pro with high end specs because it can and doesn’t need to but wants the cred…just like Ferrari builds the crazy 700 horsepower La Ferrari, Porsche builds the 918, Lamborghini makes the Urus and Nike makes the $200 Air vapor Max. These are ridiculous products that nobody needs but continues to establish the makers core vision.
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[andy patterson] “Does Apple have an answer to the MS Surface Studio? If not Apple could go bankrupt like in the past. “
Have you seen any of these in the wild in actual use? If so, in video-centric facilities? I see a number of Surface tablets, but not Studio. I DO see a shedload of iMacs ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] ”
Have you seen any of these in the wild in actual use? If so, in video-centric facilities?”Who said anything about video facilities? The Studio is more for Graphic design (Illustrator & Photoshop). The Surface Studio would not be a wise investment for video editing. You can see people on YouTube using the Surface Studio. Even Leo Laporte (Apple Evangelist) bought one. He likes it. I used one. I liked it. They are pricey but the prices will drop and the performance will improve. Having said that Apple has nothing that will compete against the Surface Studio nor do they have anything to compete against a $1,400.00 gaming PC. Some will stay loyal to Apple others will invest their money else where.
It’s over priced and under powered but it is still the most exciting computer he has used. The 28″ touch screen works great in desktop mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN1jL-2Ez2M
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