Andy Patterson
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[Scott Witthaus] “And one more:
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/993456#993471“
CS 4.0 and 5.5. were pretty much bug free. The CC does have more bugs but even FCPX and DR have bugs. Some of the bugs I found in Premiere Pro may not affect the Mac OS. Most of the bugs in Premiere Pro are quirky and don’t crash the computer. Also most people will not use the effects that have the bugs. That is why I asked what bugs have you found? People have found bugs that don’t affect me at all.
CS 5.5 worked great. Once Open CL support was added to the Mercury Playback Engine the bugs came out on the Windows side. Adobe should use CUDA or Open CL but not both.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “What year was it and how much did your Avid cost? ”
Hey Andy. No sure on this as I was brought in as the editor. Facility provided the gear. And of course I can’t remember the exact year! ;-)”
It seems like your Avid should have been able to do transitions, PIP, Titles and CC in real-time. Our Avid was based of the Targa 2000 and had a Pinnacle Genie board for the RT. Maybe your system was more like a baby Avid without the Pinnacle Genie board. Who knows? Our system was on a Mac so we also needed a PCI extender because the Mac towers only had 4 PCI slots. Like I said I liked our Avid system. It was so much better than using the switcher and video tape decks.
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[Tom Sefton] “can everyone stop saying paradigm.”
What would you prefer us to say?
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[Scott Witthaus] “This was the first Avid in the area and I had a bit of a crowd around me watching. So after all that, I had actually had to render out a dissolve and an older editor/engineer (because sometimes they were the same person) sniffed and said “give me a switcher and a T-bar and I could have done that in real time…” and walked off.”
What year was it and how much did your Avid cost? Our old school Avid could do a simple dissolve in real-time. I admit you could not do to much without needing to render. It could do color correction and titles easy enough in real-time. All I can say is back in 1998 I thought our Avid Media Composer was pretty cool. Just for the record I used to have to edit using a switcher and tape decks (Beta and 3/4″) prior to getting our Avid.
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[Scott Witthaus] “Personally, I feel a lot of animosity towards Avid is it’s stance that “if you want to be a ‘pro’ you have to use Avid and many “pros” (including myself) laugh that off as totally false and arrogant. And those of us who have been in the business for over 20 years and dealt with Avid’s corporate arrogance back when it WAS the only game around feel no sense of sympathy to its’ current situation. “
[Scott Witthaus] “I hold my dissatisfaction at Avid mainly over the DS debacle. Those companies (like the one I worked for at the time) that invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in the product just to be killed off (mostly because of the fact that it wasn’t enough like Media Composer) hold no love for Avid Technologies. So those folks who say “well, be careful, Apple may just kill FCPX like the did FCPL”, talk to me about having two DS stations in my two regional shops (our entire company had over a half dozen) and going from an amazing company like Softimage to Avid, to being promised that DS will be THE HD solution for Avid (whoops, Symphony users then had a sh**) to “there will be full support for DS” to killing the product. Like I said, my sympathies are limited. And now I am sure a lot of ex-Symphony users feel the same way.”
I Used to edit on an $80,000.00 Avid Media Composer. It was purchased back in 1998 when they used a Targa 2000 capture card and Pinnacle board to get the RT effects. I don’t hate on Avid. Hardware goes obsolete. I thought the Avid was pricey and maybe a DPS system would have been a better option but I didn’t have to buy it. I just used it to edit and got paid good money to do so. I admit I did way more live productions than editing but I have no hatred towards Avid. Avid also did and end of life to the Fast Liquid software I used to use. Things change.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Oliver Peters] ” Premiere isn’t that buggy in most users’ experience, ”
Depends on what you consider tenable. One thing that I did learn on the Premiere COW forum is that there are many complaints about bugs in new releases and old bugs not fixed. So, of course you will not pick off all Premiere users but perhaps the disgruntled crowd. Give the others something to think about.”
Don’t concern yourself with what others experience with the CC what is your personal experience with Premiere Pro CC? What bugs have you found? I have seen more bugs in Premiere Pro since the CC paradigm but keep in mind the CS paradigm was super stable. I can find FCPX bug videos on YouTube that cause FCPX to crash. A crash is worse than a quirky bug. I don’t write on the Cow that FCPX is plagued wit bugs just because there a some Youytube videos demonstrating the bugs of FCPX. I wouldn’t assume the bug affects every user. Also some Premiere Pro bugs only affect OS X.
[Scott Witthaus] “Oliver Peters] “the single app subscription price is cheaper for Premiere Pro than for Media Composer.”
It’s not always about price, as Apple has proved. The marketing message is (or could be) that Avid is focused on the “pro” visual storyteller, not the social media poster, cartoon guy, etc… The message might get through to the folks who use a few CC apps and are frustrated. You go back to the old Simon Sinek thing, “Sell the Why”. “Hey, here at Avid, we get you. You are a storyteller. You need to work in a collaborative environment. You work on high profile sh**. We get that, so that’s why we focus on you, the visual storyteller, not the cartoon guy, social media blogger, etc., All of our tools are meant to make you a better storyteller …” You stay away from that “we cut the big films” message and get back to why a person should choose Avid (or Apple for that matter).”
Can’t all the NLE cut blogs and movies? I think Avid has loyal users and an infrastructure. I say if BMD has a better NLE I will jump ship.
[Scott Witthaus] “[Oliver Peters] “Add to that the fact that installation and updating for Premiere Pro is dirt simple compared to Avid.”
Let’s see, last time I upgraded to CC 2017, my AE license didn’t work (wanted to start a 7 day demo), dynamic links were lost and performance suffered. A bit more work for a solid upgrade is ok by me.”
I am not going to lie. The CC has worked without fail for me. I would prefer the old CS paradigm but I cannot claim that the CC crapped out on me. Perhaps it is OS X as opposed to the CC.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “I would like to see the break down of how many users use Premiere Pro/AE not the other apps that are not necessarily related to video. The problem is I don’t think you can.”
For graphic design Adobe is top dog. It is the video editing market that is very very competitive right now. Adobe’s Creative Cloud is not super expensive but competition might make Adobe make a few changes to the CC paradigm. The Premiere Pro upgrades at NAB 2017 were not that great. I do think Adobe will have something much better for NAB 2018 but who knows for sure?
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[Tom Sefton] “All the footage was stored on gtech studio xl raids that had plenty of space, and we were editing on Mac Pro 2013s – either 6 or 8 core with 32 or 64GB of ram and max GPU.”
Have you ever tried Premiere Pro on a PC? Just curious. Having said that someone reported a lot of problems when using Premiere Pro on a Mac but the problems were traced back to Safari being opened. Once Safari was closed the crashes went away. I am not saying that is what is causing your system to crash.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “In my experience the kind of thing you are talking about suggests system issues rather than grave malfunctioning of the application.”
I have found bugs on the Windows side but it seems there are more bugs with OS X. For some of the issues OS X was to blame not Premiere Pro.
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[Tom Sefton] “Went back to dip our toes in the premiere water for a project recently and had some major issues with import, export and performance. Tried the Adobe forums, the premiere forums on the Cow and got no answers. Adobe tech support was woeful – was even told that a 2TB library of rushes was too large and to reduce it down because premiere wouldn’t support it, or we could edit half the sequence in each project and join them together at the end. I’ve really not experienced good tech support for premiere pro.”
Are you on the OS X platform?