Andy Patterson
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[Brian Seegmiller] “The faster way I move markers in FCP X is to right click on the marker and choose “cut” and then move my skimmer where I want it and choose “option+v” and paste the marker. It would be better to just move it by clicking and dragging, but it is not a deal breaker.”
I here ya. FCPX is a good NLE but as with any NLE improvements could be made. I find it easier to do key-framing in Premiere Pro. Some (not all) FCPX would lead you to believe “every thing” is ten times easier and better in FCPX.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “Everything those markers shown in this video in Davinci can be implemented in FCP X. Marker ranges are just like setting keyword ranges, rejects and or favorites and doing it much faster. The index is great for searching for markers, keywords and more on the timeline.”
I am well aware or keyword ranges. I admit the markers are kind of being used like keyword ranges in that video but markers can be used in several different ways.
The markers in FCPX seem real quirky in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tc0R4i1uxo
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[Tony West] “[Oliver Peters] “I think some people are simply predisposed to think in a way that jives better with either FCPX or a more traditional track-based NLE.”
I think it has more to do with how effective you are at teaching. Some people may be better at it than others. I know it was that way when I was in HS : )”
I agree.
[Tony West] “Based on your posts on here, your tagline could easily be “FCPX, it’s OK, but nothing special”
I on the other hand come in with a great deal of enthusiasm. Talking up the program big time.”Should you be talking up FCPX big time? If you worked for a real estate company three years ago and edit VR tours FCPX might not be the best bet (FCPX might do it now without plugins). When FCPX first launched there was no 3rd party hardware support, multi-cam or closed captioning. There was a trackless paradigm with FCPX but would that always be more useful than 3rd party hardware, multi-cam and closed captioning? Perhaps not for a lot of people. For some VR might be much more important than a trackless paradigm. I have not used FCPX in over a year but at that time I could key-frame much easier in Premiere Pro than FCPX. I know the GUI of FCPX is better than it was two years ago but I found the GUI of FCPX to be very annoying compared to Premiere Pro when I last used it.
When I last used FCPX (things could have changed) the markers were not as robust as what you see in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA1m6jeTf_M
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “Those are the kind of questions you should be asking. ”
No they are not.
Your point was that X wasn’t easier to for people to learn than other NLE’s. But you haven’t taught anybody X to even compare like others have.”
I don’t doubt if I taught Premiere Pro or even DR at the college level the students would pick it up fairly easy. I have used several NLE so I know what the competition can do and I see similarities and differences. I don’t need to use X to know I can teach people how to use a NLE.
[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “I never stated I teach FCPX”
I know. That’s my point. You don’t have any experience in what you are talking about.”What I am pointing out is there is a lot of hype concerning FCPX. A lot of people claim FCPX is way easier to use than the old school NLE. A lot of those same people claimed Premiere Pro had a antiquated titling system. I don’t need to have FCPX (although I have been kicking the tires of it for about six years) to know some things are not as they seem at the Cow. Regardless of FCPX I will have a video soon showing what the old antiquated and cringe worthy GUI of Premiere Pro can actually do. I think you will like it. It should serve as a demo and tutorial. What I am really saying is if people have a misconception of Premiere Pro’s GUI they may also have a misconception of how easy to use Premiere Pro can be. Having said that I would not say Premiere Pro is the easiest NLE to learn. I will say I have seen FCPX users complain how hard Premiere Pro is to use and then people that use Premiere Pro can tell them in like two or three sentences how to achieve what they want using Premiere Pro. In other words if you spend 180 hours a month trying to learn FCPX to it’s fullest potential and only dabble about 20 hours a month into Premiere Pro to mock it of course FCPX will seem much more impressive and easier to use but you have to take into consideration that you really liked the one NLE over the other from the get go. Some people do have brand loyalty that can lead to a biased evaluation.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Tony West] “When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast?”
I don’t think Andy has said he teaches X, only has recently begun to play with it.”
Not recently. I have been using FCPX from day one but not as an editor. I have used my friends system many times to test out FCPX. Having said that I have moved out of state and no longer have access to my friends system. I have recently purchased a Mac Mini but I still have not had time to download FCPX. I will buy FCPX as soon as I get some free time.
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[Tony West] “andy patterson] “we have seen many FCPX users say FCPX is way easier than all the other old antiquated NLE.”
Yeah, I would make the argument that for example clicking on that “noise removal” button in X is easier than completely doing it yourself in 7 do you disagree?”
Would you disagree Premiere Pro 6.0 is better than Premiere Pro 1.0? I would hope FCPX is better than FCP 7. Premiere Pro 6.0 is much better than Premiere Pro 1.0 but that does not mean Premiere Pro 6.0 is better than FCPX. Are the marker options in FCPX better and easier to use than the marker options DR? Is the key-framing of FCPX easier and better than Premiere Pro CC. Those are the kind of questions you should be asking.
[Tony West] “Scott teaches people X for a living so he is speaking from experience. When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast? Or are you speculating what you think might happen?”
I never stated I teach FCPX. I did state that if I taught Premiere Pro to Scott’s students and Scott taught Premiere Pro to his students the teaching experience for the students would probably be very different. Do you agree with my statement? If so why?
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[Neil Goodman] “I feel like we’ve been over the pros and cons of each kit time 1,000,000 on this forum.”
I hear FCPX. Premiere and Avid discussed but if I go back 14 months or even 24 months I doubt Speed Razor or Pinnacle Studio get mentioned. I am talking about all software programs (including 3rd party hardware).
[Neil Goodman] “I bought Avid cause thats what I like to use, and 99.9% of my jobs are on Avid. I went through a small stint freelancing a few years ago and purchased a license. I keep it up to date annually now for 300 bucks to stay current with the softwares progression.”
Letting us know it was because of your job is worth mentioning.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] ” People that have purchased 3-4 different NLE have no brand loyalty and can have more unbiased opinion.”
This is absolute crap. So anyone that does not pay for an NLE, their opinions are to be ignored?”
From what I have seen in these forums I would say yes because they are on the clock and don’t really get to grasp all the features and nuances of the software. When I see people say I use FCPX because it kicks booty but I also have to use Premiere Pro at work I don’t take the info all that serious. When I see a FCPX loyalist compare FCPX to Premiere Pro I always see them put FCPX in the best possible light while trying to make Premiere Pro seem much harder than it actually is to use. I feel like I am watching a 3 year old play with crayons. If you spend your own money on software you are probably going to try to make it work well.
[Scott Witthaus] ” So the folks here who work at facilities where the NLE is bought for them have no valid opinions?”
Some yes and some no because of my previous comment. Also some people may have Premiere Pro at their work facility but it does not mean they are proficient with Premiere Pro. I also think some people might not be 100% honest about how well they know Premiere Pro, Avid DR etc.
[Scott Witthaus] “Not sure how much experience you have or how long you have been in the business, but $299 for a piece of software is NOTHING in comparison to what we used to pay for NLE software.”
Money is not the issues. Having said that I am hip to the Matrox Digisuite, Fast Red, Purple Silver, Media 100 etc. Having said that I edited on a Trinity Play, Avid and DPS system back in 1996-2004. I used the Avid when working for the City OF Detroit’s Media Center but I did teach the Water Department how to use their Trinity Play system and I did edit on the Cable Commission DPS system one time but that is irrelevant. If need be I can edit using a switcher and analogue tapes. I can also slice film and do stop motion animation (Our school had an Oxberry and Steenbeck) but once again that is irrelevant but you did ask about my experience. If truth be told I can direct, technical direct, operate CCUs, cameras, audio board, CG etc. As of now I work at an A/V rental house.
[Scott Witthaus] “Let’s not get started in the cost of a linear bay. To say that $300 bucks (a few hours of billable time) will buy people’s loyalty is ludicrous.”
I never said anything about the costs. Learn to comprehend what I actually. I am saying if you lay down the money for any software it means you probably like the product and are going to give it a fair shake as opposed to editing on the NLE at work.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio”
How long ago was that?”
The year is irrelevant but I think it was 2002-2003. I taught the Water Department how to use their Trinity Play in 2001 and taught the Cable Commission how to do some cool things on the DPS system in 2001. I fogot about those days.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “If you have a love for Apple and resentment for Avid and Premiere that might be a key factor. I am not saying that is the case.
”But you just said it. I have no resentment for Avid or Premiere. I did a lot of work and made really good money on Avid projects in the past. It’s just not a player any longer in my area. Premiere does not suit my professional needs as well as other programs. Simply my preferences.”
For those that have only purchased FCP and FCPX it lets me know they have brand loyalty. They are going to use Apple products no matter what. They are not interested in what the competition has to offer. I am always interested in the competition.
All I can say is I liked our Avid. I liked the Water Departments Trinity Play System and the Cable Commissions DPS system (they also had Avid’s and a playback gear that would rival a commercial station) I am not saying I think Premiere Pro is better than FCPX but I think perhaps you would agree that if you taught your class how to edit using Premiere Pro and I taught your class how to edit using Premiere Pro it would probably be a very different experience for the students. That is kind of my point. If truth be told I would probably prefer to teach DR if I were a teacher because it is free and works on both Mac and PC. Also DR 14 was a big upgrade.
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “It is odd that someone would need help using FCPX. ”
Shouldn’t you have written, “it’s odd that someone would need help using any NLE
Since your point is that they are all equally easy. Your statement implies that X is easier which is the opposite of the point you were trying to make.”
Keep in mind I don’t really see Premiere or Avid users stating their software is much easier to use than FCPX. I think you would agree we have seen many FCPX users say FCPX is way easier than all the other old antiquated NLE. That is why I found it odd that someone need to be taught how to use a super easy NLE that I was lead to believe everyone just picks up super easy. It sounded like a contradiction to me.
[Tony West] “But then again I guess that would have setup this contradiction………..”I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio.” You shouldn’t have been teaching them that, because you said they shouldn’t need help. Right?”
Where did I make contradiction? Also I don’t believe I said anything close to what you posted above. If you could post a link to where I stated Pinnacle Studio is so easy no one would ever need help learning I would appreciate it. I do think Pinnacle Studio is easier to use than Premiere Pro for home hobbyists. I myself can do basic editing on any NLE but it takes time to learn all the quirks and features of each NLE.
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If people could leave a few comments about the software they used (pros and cons) that would be great. Why did you folks make the switch or add other NLE to your work flow?