Andy Patterson
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[Olivier Prudhomme] ”
Even if things “work” as-is , is there any benefit in getting an audio interface and also a AJA or black magic card / box?”The video link below might be worth watching. Having said that for me purchasing the the Intensity Shuttle was money well spent.
For audio I use a Berhinger USB mixing board. It lets me add a little EQ so I don’t have to do it during the editing process.
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The integrated Intel GPU is not going to work with Premiere Pro.
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[Bob Zelin] ”
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$2000, and no one is “custom building” a computer from scratch (with all the aggravation).”The reason this thread was all about building customs PCs is because the Apple users wanted to talk about custom PC. When all is said and done the $1,600.00 gaming PCs will offer a better bang for the buck than what Apple has to offer for video editing and 3D animation. No one has ever said that Apple computers don’t work but Apple does not offer the same options to the user as a the Windows system can. Should be a non issues but not in the Cow. Keep in mind prices are a tad bit high because the Coffee Lake CPUs are in short supply. The prices should drop slightly in a couple of months.
If you don’t like the cases or the specs simply shop around : )
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[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Better than what? An old 2012 Mac Pro?”
No, better than my 2009 Mac Pro tower, even though theoretically the tower has better specs. It’s a 2015 MBP.”
You are comparing Apple to Apple. I would hope a new Apple computer would be better than an older Apple computer but Bob hinted towards the competition. I tend to agree with his comment.
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC?”
For my needs, yes. Especially considering that I already owned it. ☺”
You already owned it? Did you pay more than $1,600.00 for it and can it edit video better than a $1,600.00 PC?
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] “They can only buy what Apple offers.”
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I was part of those purchasing decisions and first of all, it’s an evolutionary decision.”
You are talking only about you Oliver. My comments are not for Olivier Peters directly but Apple users in general. Many Apple users have built hackintosh systems and bought Nvidia GPUs? Are you saying if Apple offered the GTX 1080 Ti for the Trash Can no one would opt for it? There are YouTube video that state otherwise.
[Oliver Peters] “It’s a silly hypothetical you are presenting,”
There are videos of Apple users buying Nvidia GPU and PCIE external enclosures. Also several people who have built Hackintosh systems. What does that tell you?
[Oliver Peters] “But, if dollars were in a similar ballpark, then yes, I might still opt for a trash can.”
The generic ATX system can be built for much less money and offer more upgrade ability. Let me ask you this. Would you prefer HP to stop selling towers and only offer a Trash Can style option?
[Oliver Peters] “If I have 7 or 8 workstations on shared storage of various vintages, I’m not going to replace all 7 or 8 at once with PCs.”
Who ever said you would? My comments are not directly for you Oliver.
[Oliver Peters] “I have to be able to move files and projects around amongst all of them, which means one platform or you’re in a world of hurt. So, staying with Apple is the better business decision.”
You introducing a strawman argument.
[Oliver Peters] “[andy patterson] ” I don’t think Anyone wants HP or Dell to stop making their towers and opt for the Trash Can”
Except they do sell all-in-ones (like the iMac), so they definitely have a market for that.”
You a proving my point. HP has more options than Apple.
[Oliver Peters] “Sure. But there are also plenty of PC users opting for Macs.”
I opted for a Mac Mini so I could get on the Apple platform. You know what? I wish I could have purchased a generic ATX style Apple for $500.00. I had to opt for the Mac Mini becuase it was the least expensive way to get on board the Apple platform. I think more PC user would be willing to buy a Mac if Apple had an inexpensive ATX system like Dell and HP offer but the premium you pay for the Apple logo keeps some people away.
[Oliver Peters] “IBM offers their staffers Macs as a work machine option. That’s because the company analysis has shown better cost/benefit ratio with the Apple platform versus PCs.”
Once again you are using strawman. I am not saying the Apple product don’t work. I am saying Apple users are building hackintosh systems and buying after market Nvidia graphics cards because Apples options are limited. That is all have ever stated. I am not saying the Mac Pro does not work for you and may other people. That has never been my stance.
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[Oliver Peters] “I think you are making a value judgement based on your needs and wants that most others here may not agree with.”
I am going by what I see around me. People have built hackintosh systems and bought after makrtet Nvidia GPUs. I am not saying all Apple users are thinking of switching to Windows 10 systems but some have.
[Oliver Peters] “I have a hot-rodded Mac Pro tower, but I shifted to using my 2015 MBP full-time at home, because it’s a better machine.”
Better than what? An old 2012 Mac Pro? Does it offer a better bang for the buck than a $1,600.00 dollar gaming PC? If Apple offered a generic ATX system with a six core i7 8700K and a GTX 1080 Ti for $1,600.00 would you have opted for the Trash Can? That is the question that needs to be asked. I cannot wait to see what Volta will have to offer over Pascal. Will Apple even offer Volta as an option?
[Oliver Peters] “The place I mainly freelance at has a mixture of old Mac Pros, a 2013 Mac Pro and several loaded iMacs.”
They can only buy what Apple offers. Keep in mind Shane uses a Hackintosh and is considering a Windows PC. That was kind of my point. Apple users should not have to build hackintosh systems or buy an external Nvidia GPU. Apple should have more options. I now Apple won’t do it.
[Oliver Peters] “The Mac Pro towers are dogs”
I agree.
[Oliver Peters] ” I don’t think anyone there misses cards in slots and having to deal with keeping all of that stuff current.”
They may not but some people do. Also it is hard to say because Apple’s options are limited. There are hackitosh system on YouTube and others have opted to switch to Windows PC. It may or may not be a lot but if Apple did offer a generic ATX system with a Coffee Lake i7 8700K and GTX 1080 Ti for $1,600.00 do you think it would out sell the Trash Can systems? I don’t think Anyone wants HP or Dell to stop making their towers and opt for the Trash Can. Do you kind of see my point? I am not saying the Apple products don’t work. I am saying if other options were offered some Apple user would prefer the alternative options.
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[Rich Rubasch] “Do I really need the iMac Pro, or could a fully maxed out iMac tide us over for 1-2 years?”
It would depend on what you are trying to do. For me my Mac Mini using FCPX works OK. Having said that I am only going to edit a few 1920 X 1080 YouTube video using AVCHD video files. Obviously the Mac Mini would not be a good option if I wanted to edit the native Red One R3D video files.
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[Oliver Peters] “And I didn’t say that he did. With all due respect, going PC or not is your question. Yes, I know Bob brought it up, but it’s doubtful if that’s what Steve was asking in his original post.”
I know Steve is not going to switch to Windows but your response was for Bob. Bob’s question was worth mentioning. Keep in mind for Graphic Designers the MS Surface Studio has offered a option that Apple cannot match. If a Mac user does not use FCPX at all switching to Windows might be something they are considering especially if Apple is asking to much over the competition.
As I stated some Apple users have given up on their iPad Pro in favor of the MS Surface Pro with good reason. I am not saying the iPad Pro does not work. I will say what if Apple made OS X with touch screen support and they offered an iPad Extreme with OS X and an i7 CPU. Would the iPad Pro that everyone loves become obsolete within 2 months after the release of the iPad Extreme?
Shane has mentioned he might make the switch Windows 10 on his blog https://lfhd.net. Will he do it? Who knows? I will say that if Apple offered a generic ATX system with a six core Coffee Lake CPU and a GTX 1080 Ti for $1700.00 I am sure the Mac Pro trash can would become obsolete with in two months. Why do I say that? When I see Apple users with iMacs, Apple laptops or even the Trash Can make use of an External GPU I see them using an Nvidia GTX 980 Ti or a GTX 1080. Why can’t Apple just offer better products? I know Apple will never release a Generic ATX system because Apple does what it is best for Apple not the consumer. The question is how long can Apple continue to do this? I think that is what Bob was hinting at.
Apple users should not have to build hackintoshes or buy external Nvidia GPUs. That type of paradigm might make some people switch platforms (Windows). Having said that I know Steve will probably be happy with an iMac Pro but not everyone will be. I think it is worth mentioing considering Shane is not the only one on this thread who built a hackintosh.
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[Oliver Peters] “[Bob Zelin] “the starting price $4999 won’t do much for a power machine”
Well… The comparable 8-core 2013 MP is also $5K and I would say it has plenty of power for graphics, editing, audio post and color correction. That’s without the display, Thunderbolt3 and built-in 10GigE. So I think we’ll find out in the real world that’s a damn fine machine.”
I don’t think he said it would not work. The question is would a Windows 10 system make more sense if you are using DR 12, Premiere Pro or Avid.
Never under estimate the performance of a $1400.00 gaming PC for video editing. Who knows what performance increases Volta will offer?
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[Shane Ross] ” With having everything (except my IO box and my RAID) contained in a small area, not strewn about and connected by squid-like tentacles. It is so nice to have it all in one place.”
I’m hip. My Windows 10 PC work station is free of squid-like tentacles : )
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All I know is I will be getting a Coffee Lake 6 Core i7 8700K in a couple of months for about $370.00 and a 300 series chipset motherboard for about $100.00. Add about $120.00 for RAM and I will have an awesome system for less than $1,000 even when you include my GTX 1060 GPU.
On a side note will the newer Xeons support Intel’s Quick Sync? If not the basic iMac might be a better option depending on what type of video files you edit.