Andrew Kimery
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[Tim Wilson] “Not a chance from my view. None. I think FCP had gone as far as it worth going, which is why, after 2005, it didn’t really go anywhere, other than the addition of Pro Res in 2007 -“
My hypothetical FCP 8 though departs from actual events and has Apple developing new features with the same rigor that Adobe and Avid were over the same time period (so 64-bit, background processes, improved multicam, GPU acceleration, better codec support, improved 3-way CC using tech from Color, etc.,). Basically the FCP 8 that everyone was so desperate for because 7 was such a minor bump that barely, if at all, qualified as a full version release. If *that* FCP 8 comes out (and for kicks I’ll give it the $299 price point too) then MC is in even more trouble than it was and no one even looks in PPro’s general direction.
[Tim Wilson] “Mayyyyyybe when the ScriptSync-style features are nailed down (and maybe they are now) and an MC-ISIS-style sharing experience is meaningfully advanced (not there yet from anything I’ve heard), but even to get to Legend’s 2009 marketshare is likely a couple of years away, and most of the growth will come at the expense of FCP, not MC.”
Of course now we are back to the 10-year plan statement and speculation on what’s going to happen between now and 2021. Is X now pretty much ‘set in stone’ the way FCP was around 2005? Since X can be more of a ‘platform’ will 3rd party development be enough to keep it moving forward? Will customers be more accepting of a slow pace of development since X only requires a one time payment of $299? I mean, many people give Resolve plenty of slack as a work-in-progress NLE because in large part because it’s free where as many people give Adobe a lot of flack if they don’t feel development is moving fast enough in large part because of the subscription model.
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[Tim Wilson] “Dude, where have you been for the past 5 years? LOL I mentioned it in my post above, as well as my epic WTF article too.”
Dude you mention a LOT of things in a LOT of posts which is why I was trying to narrow it down a bit. 😉
With regards to moving the needle in terms of “hey, this is a different way to approach things” I agree that X does that more than Legend. With regards to moving the needle in terms adoption in this specific market space, I think the hypothetical FCP 8 shoves Avid all the back on its heels and 9 sees the king slipping off the top of the hill. Apple releasing X gave Avid a reprieve and PPro an opening (both things those NLEs desperately needed).
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[Shane Ross] “Yup…with the aid of a handful of third party apps, FCX, is now a professional app! “
I know you are half-kidding, but some of the apps are to facilitate getting info from production into the NLE and others like Sync-N-Link are available for FCP Legend and PPro. Sure, something like X2Pro fills a gap in X that is considered ‘default’ for an NLE to have but not all the apps fit into that category.
I agree with you about the money statement though because those types of things end up getting taken as gospel w/o any thought as to the context the statement was made in.
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[Tim Wilson] “A nifty confirmation of my theory first posited here almost exactly 5 years ago, that FCPX would move the needle in ways that FCP did not. “
Cliff notes version of how you thought X could move the needle in ways FCP Legend did not? Like in terms of different workflows? In terms of eventual uptake at the ‘top of the pyramid’?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Clearly you missed that neither were they my systems, nor was it my decision to move away from them. Sorry, no ulterior motive to be found.”
You’re right, I should have said the Avids at your school. From how matter-of-factly you spoke about the situation I thought you were more closely involved than you actually were.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Feel free to quote exactly where I “went off the deep end”. 😀
“Okay. See below.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Yeah. Somehow I knew that was going to be used as an excuse, since I don’t see how that (with or without the token smily) can be interpreted as anything but “PEBCAK!”. Easy explanation when you have no clue who the sys admins are (in that case not me) and whom they spoke with for hours on the phone and in person to get things resolved but couldn’t. Sure. Avid is rock-solid and bug-free! Only incompetence can take it down. Well known fact.”
My joke was poking fun at Bill, it wasn’t a machiavellian dig aimed at the Avid problem you were describing.
What excuses did I make in favor of Avid? Where did I accuse anyone of being incompetent? Your school had atypical problems with their Avids. They weren’t able to resolve said problems even with Avid’s help. They moved on to a different solution. Problem solved. If I actually thought the sys admins involved were incompetent I would have said so. But I don’t so I didn’t.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “No, Andrew, I said I hadn’t USED it (as in “in production”) and that I was guessing it may have been v6 that (last) time.”
Which is why I asked for clarification.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Yeah. Somehow I knew that was going to be used as an excuse, “
What excuse? My post was making fun of Bill, not advice for you. If I wanted to berate you w/a condescending post I would’ve done it many posts ago as opposed to trying to learn more about your situation. You had problems with Avid, you moved on to something you like better. Awesome. I really don’t care what NLE people use as long as it works for them. I don’t work for any of these companies or sell plug-ins or teach classes or anything else that would give me a vested interest in pushing one over the other.
Funny how you and Bill both reacted similarly to Mike’s situation, yet when the same ‘advice’ is pointed in your direction you go off the deep end.
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[Michael Gissing] “Ultimately everything has a deadline or a desire not to waste time fiddling with xml transfers and silly things like the inability to transfer text, framing, keyframe moves etc. “
Agreed, though the usefulness of the feature still hinges on both the editor and the colorist using Resolve which is probably going to be a rather infrequent occurrence in reality (at least in my corner of the industry). Years ago I remember thinking how much better interfacing with our in house GFX team was going to be since FCP had a Send to Motion option. Our GFX team never moved away from AE though. Just recently I finished a piece in PPro but the in house re-recording mixer uses ProTools, not Adobe Audition. The potential of ‘unifying’ workflows between specialized apps always seems to be greater than the reality of it actually happening in my experience.
[Michael Gissing] “So much of my time is spent with the translation process that having a direct transfer from edit to finishing would make my job so much easier. It is what I had for many years with FCP Legend being used with Color as a finishing tool.”
What do you think about the round trip between PPro and SpeedGrade? That’s the type of thing I always wanted the FCP/Color relationship to be. Things got a bit easier with Color 1.5 but there were still a lot of caveats in order to have a successful roundtrip between FCP Legend and Color.
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[Bill Davis] “Life’s too short to work with sub standard systems. And the vetted case studies say X – configured and operated properly – is far from sub-standard. Period.”
The amazing thing about this post Bill is its versatility. Just change “X” to “Avid” and you came up with the solution for Robin Kurz’s problem too! 😉
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Well, I can only relay what I was told and what I experienced myself. Mind you, they have massive amounts of external hardware as well. So this is not about just installing an app or two. Meaning all kinds of drivers, cards and what not need to work along side as well. That’s where it gets tricky. “
Yeah, the more components in a system the more places for failure or conflict.
In a previous post you mentioned you hadn’t touched MC since v6, is the lab question on v6? That might account for some of the issues (Avid changed a lot in 6 but seemed to get everything much more solid in 6.5). It’s neither here nor there but I’m just curious.
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[Michael Gissing] “So glad that FCP X can’t do “pro” is now officiously vaporized.”
So does that mean we can call it Final Cut Finally Pro? 😉