Andrew Kimery
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[Marcus Moore] “So I think you’d have to call the whole 2010-2013 a single upgrade cycle. “
Agreed, and I meant to mention that in my previous post. So from 2006-2010 we had got five MP revisions (1,1 – 5,1) and then a doesn’t-really-count speed bump in 2012. So the stretch from 2010 to 2013 was longer though I don’t think releasing a new computer once every three years is viable and is gong to help Apple shake fears that the pro line is dead. 😉
I agree with you about the I/O, but even with the old MPs we never got USB 3 or eSATA from Apple even though they were available. It’s like all the engineers got moved onto working on the nMP and the old MP just kinda coasted into EOL. Which, given the amount of people still using the old MP (and the cottage industry of keeping it a viable machine) is pretty interesting. If FCP 7 is the NLE that refuses to die then the old MP is the desktop that refuses to die.
[Marcus Moore] ” I don’t see how they could have released an updated MacPro anytime after that without 5K display support and not taken an ENORMOUS amount of flack for it. At least that’s my theory.”
Less flack than what they’ve received for doing nothing? I think CPU and GPU bumps, even w/o 5K support, would’ve gone over better than just doing zilch and charging the exact same price for a machine unveiled in June of 2013. Whatever the underlying reason(s) are for a machine this old still being Apples top of the line offering I think it looks like they painted themselves into a corner with the design of the nMP (sexy as it is).
What makes this even more disconcerting is that the rate of technological change is only going to keep getting faster so if Apple is already having issues figuring out when (how?) to upgrade the nMP is this indicative of an inherent problem with this line of computers?
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[Joe Marler] “Aside from further cannibalizing Mac Pro sales, it’s not currently feasible to put a full-size GPU in the exiting iMac form factor. Even if the iMac was twice as thick it wouldn’t be possible. “
Totally right about the iMac’s aesthetics not being compatible with a full sized GPU. Besides the smaller GPU architectures coming out, isn’t a new CPU from Intel dropping this year (or dropped recently)? Maybe late in the year we’ll see a nMP as the desired combo of CPUs and GPUs becomes available. Apple requiring custom GPUs in relatively low yields probably doesn’t help matters.
[Marcus Moore] “I’ll take that bet. MacPros have always been upgraded on a roughly 2 year cycle,”
Not to be pedantic but from 2006-2010 we got a new Mac Pro about every 12-15 months (and the Power Macs before that were on about a 6 month cycle). The stretch between the 2010 model and the speed bump in 2012 was, at the time, the longest drought between releases. That gap has been obliterated by the nMP. According to Macrumors the 2010-2012 gap was 685 days, the overall average time between MacPros is 449 days, and the nMP came to to market 885 days ago. Personally I would love it if Apple went back to releasing speed bumps between major revisions so there was always something new every 12-18 months.
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Who cares if it’s 100% accurate if you can find it in seconds instead of 30 minutes.”
You might care if what you are looking for fell victim to the inaccuracy which means it doesn’t exist in the transcript even though the person said it. 😉
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[Shane Ross] “I’m sure Apple will discontinue that line and push iMacs as their main “pro” computer (it already is superior to the current MacPro trash can)”
The middle and top nMP’s will still beat the 5K iMac in GPU-centric situations, but for CPU I agree that it’s a wash. I wish Apple would put a desktop GPU in the top of the line iMac but I understand why they don’t (then it really would be way too close in performance to the top of the line nMP).
Save for my Mac Mini I’ve always bought towers and I just can’t seem to pull the trigger on spending so much money (either on an iMac or a nMP) for a new machine that’s pretty much locked from a performance perspective. I’m hanging on to an ’09 MP and the only reason this thing is still viable is because I can upgrade the I/O (added USB 3 and eSATA), the GPU and, if I’m feeling like a weekend project, the CPUs with a kit from OWC.
If a nMP came out tomorrow with current I/O, GPUs, CPU, etc., I’d be really tempted but there’s no way I’m spending top dollar for a computer that was released in 2013. If Apple licensed OS X to run on non-Apple hardware I’d get a Z workstation from HP tonight. Running both Mac and Windows machines is just another layer to my workflow that I don’t want to add if I can avoid it. Ugh. #FirstWorldProblems
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[Oliver Peters] “On Windows, the people legally doing it, like Telestream, have also licensed it from Apple, but it’s only used in the context of distributed network renders, such as with Vantage.”
Is this because Apple won’t license to NLEs on Windows or is it because NLEs on Windows don’t want to pay the license fee? Any idea? I know with Shake the cost was severely discounted for the Mac version, kinda discounted for the Linux version and not discounted at all for the Windows version (which Apple killed after a few years). I wonder if it’s similar situation here.
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[Charlie Austin] “You want to hear screaming? Despite literally years of notice, wait till QTKit on the Mac gets shut off. Not too far away I’d guess.”
They should just release a new MacPro on the same day and no one will notice about QT.
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[Charlie Austin] “For some reason, not many people are interested in pointing that out.”
Probably because of Apple’s naming convention choice, where QuickTime can refer to the media player, the underlying media architecture and/or the actual media, can easily lead to confusion. 😉
Speaking of that, if the problem is only the QT Player then why aren’t Adobe et al. just saying uninstall the player but leave the codecs? Adobe’s response that Walter posted, and unofficial but knowledgable response I’ve seen on Avid’s boards, make it sound like just uninstalling the QT Player won’t remedy the problem. Can anyone shed light on this?
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[Ricardo Marty] “No where have i been blaming adobe at all. Just saying how vulnerable it is. And how somethig like this can potencialy affect its business model if not its image. Not saying that it will. But adobe has not commented on this. This by itself can be more damaging.
“How is Adobe any more or less vulnerable than any other piece of software running on Windows that utilizes QT? It’s just odd that you keep singling out Adobe over and over and over again.
And Adobe *has* commented on this. To be the best of my knowledge Avid, BM, Lightworks, etc., have not. Go to the official Avid boards and you’ll see users asking Avid to officially comment on it like Adobe already has.
https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/quicktime-on-windows/
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[Ricardo Marty] “For a company that has placesed its future on the on the internet its a major situation. And no your our risk is not every 99 days. Its every time me need to internet access.”
You seem to be trying really hard to blame Adobe for security holes in Apple’s software. A Windows machine with QT installed is potentially at risk even if there’s not a single piece of Adobe software in sight.
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[Ricardo Marty] “How do they substitue codecs that use qt? How do they rework all that has to be worked mostly all their window stuff.”
That’s what they are working on. As is Avid. As Resolve and Lightworks and every other company that got bit in the butt by Apple deciding to only support QT on OS X but not on Windows. It’s not an Adobe-centric problem.