Aaron Star
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Couple thing to consider when switching NV to AMD.
Make sure the to not run both cards in the same system, even though the x58 has the lanes to support both in X16. I think there was someone that used to run AMD and NV cards with Vegas, but I would think there would be more crashes in that configuration.
Uninstall the NV software/drivers before pulling the card out of the machine. Make sure to get the GPU back to the default windows driver, such that is stays after a reboot. Then shut the machine down and install the other card.
Its just important to remove as much of the old driver as you can.
Its a good time to verify your OS files with SCF /scannow, run memtest86 to verify your memory is still good, run CCleaner after removing the old GPU, and make sure all the windows updates/Bios are pushed. Verify OpenCL operation with something like Luxmark, or the Min/Max Vegas plugin playback while monitoring your GPU load.
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The 5930 is a 6 core version that is half the price of the 5960, but it still has all the PCI lanes of the 5960.
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If .MTS will not display/play audio on your Vegas timeline, then you have something wrong with your AC-3 codec registration on your computer. Vegas and DVD ARC both have the ability to playback AC-3.
Converting your MTS to Cineform, HDCAM, or XDCAM-EX will give you a smoother more stable editing experience.
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I forgot to add run memtest86, do a full pass and if any errors are found, then replace your system memory.
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How old is that computer? can you post a speccy file? There is not much to go on here, no one know what you have going on over there.
I would start by uninstalling all versions of Vegas. Then go through the uninstalls for anything you do not use much or no longer use on the machine. Uninstall your 3rd party AV Security applications, and use windows defender if you are on Win8 or 10. Then Reboot.
Run the MS “Disk Cleanup” found properties on the c: drive. select all including the windows updates.
Next run CCleaner, and the registry cleaner. Run as many times as you can to until you get clean results. Reboot can help. Also delete any startup background crap that is left over from uninstalls. Minimize all the stuff loading on the taskbar by the clock.
Load Malware bytes and run a full scan, remove any crap ware.
Figure out how to run an Admin command prompt. Then execute SFC /scannow . Repair any issues found here by googling the for the errors.
Push all windows updates found in the control panel. rebooting a couple times and re-running might necessary if you have not been updating much. Pay attention to .NET updates and make sure to push them as well.
Load the latest GPU drivers for your GPU.
Make sure your BIOS is up to date for your machine, and the associated drivers from your system computer manufacturer.
Reboot.
Try and load Vegas 14 again after all that.
If you are not working after all that. Buy a new HDD or SSD, get a copy of Win10 (if your system is not ancient,) reload the OS, updates, drivers, and vegas.
That’s the process I would follow on something like that .
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1. Can you elaborate on “compute units”.
https://forums.khronos.org/showthread.php/9429-Relation-between-cuda-cores-and-compute-units
With AMD you can divide the stream processing units by 64, that will give you the compute units. Marketing likes the larger number, since that is what NVidia started doing. OpenCL is optimized by having the largest amount of Compute Units working to solve a problem. The CPU will perform as a compute unit virtually, which is why Vegas will run with no GPU enable BTW. The CPU compute units are basically determined by the number of CPU cores you have, including the HT cores.
The FLOPS of a CPU are generally much less than a GPU, normally around .200-1GFLOPS. The R9-Fury-X single chip/card is around 8500 GFLOPS. The So you can see why having the GPU enabled is a good thing.
If you go to some place like techpowerup, you want to look for AMD cards that have XT chip designations. The XT line will have the max compute units, and are less likely to have suffered manufacturing errors. All the top AMD Pro line cards run XT chips.
2. Also how does Radeon cross-fire work… I always thought it ended up functioning as if there was one graphics card in the system.
Crossfire is card linking tech that basically divides the screen lines in Game mode by half. Each GPU only renders half the screen. This does not work with 3D visual apps, or NLEs like vegas.
3. I actually have several older GPU units laying around I could easily use one of them for the display. How do I optimize PCIe bandwidth? Such that the rendering card get’s the better slot?
Research the x99 chipset clock diagram, then determine which slot is connected to the CPU directly. Normally the 1st 16x slot is the CPU PCI lanes.
6800 = 28 lanes for only 1 full speed (16X) GPU
With less than 32 lanes on the CPU, the motherboard will auto switch your slots and divide the bandwidth between the cards. Making them both 8x speed. I would just stick with one GPU, unless you get a CPU that can take advantage of the full x99 design.
The remaining CPU PCI lanes are spread out across the other PCI slots and onboard devices like M.2, or thunderbolt. All this switching tech on desktop boards can actually create problems, and is a good reason to go Xeon class boards and chips.
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The way “Mr Robot” is shot, it could just as well be vertical framed. Although all the extra space is somehow “new,” even though 20 years ago they would have fired the DP.
I guess that is in response to the comment on seeing all the sky in the cathedral shot above.
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One thing to keep in mind with Win10 Home vs Pro, is that 10 Home has the same max memory as Windows 8-64bit release. This shows evidence that Win10 Home could be the same memory control system from Windows8-64 . The fact that Win10 Pro supports 2TB shows evidence of another upgrade in memory control. This is one of the main under the hood reasons to move from Win7.
Max memory is not about how much memory you have installed at the moment. Max memory to me, is about MS spending man hours on re-designing the old system to make improvements to the way things operate. Back in the day, NT3.5 seemed insane with its ability to address 4GB of memory. 2TB of memory may not be as far off as we think.
I prefer using the best, most up to date, memory system. Which normally is the most recent OS release.
Win10 Pro – 2TB Memory Max
Win8-64 Pro – 512GB
Win8-64 – 128GB
Win7-64 – 192GB
Win7-64 Premium – 16GB
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Vegas actually does support 2 GPUs, but maybe not the way most think. If place two AMD GPUs in your system, you could leave one GPU with no monitors plugged into it. Then have all monitors plugged into the other GPU. With no monitors plugged in, Windows will not include that card in the Display system. That leaves the open card free of display overhead.
Inside Vegas, you can choose the free card as your OpenCL compute device under preferences. This makes Vegas use only the free card for timeline compute (GPU FX) along with the compute units on the CPU. Clearly you would want to do this only if you are trying to dedicate the most amount of compute units you can afford. I would not attempt this without an x99/Xeon board, and not with less than 32 compute unit cards. Preferably your “compute card” would have 44-64 compute units.
This configuration would also leave your display card free to do display only. The key is having enough PCI lanes to support 2 GPUs at 16X, for full bandwidth and low latency. Also resisting the temptation of using your best card for display, and shooting yourself in the foot by dedicating an older card to compute. Compute is just as important as display, possibly more important with the displaying speed that most GPUs perform at these days.
Here is a list of caveats:
90% of the users out there fail to understand that their system boards will not FULLY support 2 GPUs at 16X. This is one of the main benefits of the x99 board with the 5960 CPU.
Laptops are not as powerful as desktop/workstation architectures. Laptop GPUs are miles behind desktop GPUs in GFLOP performance.
90% of users attribute poor GPU acceleration or stability with poor software implementation, when it is probably user hardware selection that is at fault. There were a couple versions of Vegas that stumbled with GPU, but those days were in the infancy of OpenCL. Today cheap binned GPU chipsets that are gimped out of the gate, or poor motherboard design are more likely causes of instability.
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“what is the different between Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro?”
Mainly Enterprise/business class needs with Pro vs Home. Home cannot host a Remote desktop session, and only supports 128GB of RAM vs 2TB on Pro. Most of the other things are focused around business needs like joining a Domain, group policy enforcement, and encrypting the boot disk. WIn10 Home should be fine for a single workstation editing setup.
If you have an x99 chipset, I would have selected the i7-5830K or 60K over the 6800.
5830K = 40 PCI 3.0 lanes off the CPU, which will support 2 full speed GPUs (16x), and still support a 8X SSD PCI card or Blackmagic interface without crossing the DMI bridge.
6800 = 28 lanes for only 1 full speed (16X) GPU
Hopefully the 7900 GPU is a 7970 or 7990, as those had very high TFLOP scores for the day.