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  • Ultimate Vegas Machine?

     Matthew Jeschke updated 3 weeks ago 10 Members · 70 Posts
  • Matthew Jeschke

    November 8, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    I maybe have asked a few questions on this but curious what your feedback would be. I have been slowly tweaking my machine for video editing.

    Here’s what I currently have,

    – Vegas Pro 13 (LOVE IT!) no add-ons.
    – AMD FX-8350 8 core 4GHz processor
    – 256 GB SSD main drive w/ OS on it
    – 2 TB 7200 capture scratch drive (where I store clips I render to SSD)
    – 8GB DDR3 Memory
    – AMD Radeon 7900 (made a HUGE difference in timeline playback)
    – Two really crappy 1080p displays lol
    – Windows 7 Ultimate, upgraded to Windows 10.

    Challenges with current setup

    – Slow to respond when searching files in Vegas’s explorer tab.
    – Task switching is a recipe for disaster ~ I tend to use windows explorer rather than Vegas’s explorer if I need to find a clip.
    – No brainer but almost impossible to edit on the small screens.
    – Timeline playback seems to have the most difficulty on clip transitions and reversed clips.
    – Dynamic ram preview almost worthless, assuming I don’t have enough RAM maybe will do a couple seconds.

    Thinking of further upgrading

    – Ram to a minimum of 16 GB
    – Capture scratch drive to SSD
    – Dual Monitor 4k 29″+

    Any Suggestions?

    Anybody have further suggestions? Or perhaps software tweaks that help get more out of the system?

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    I design primarily Real Estate marketing, which is an excellent excuse to spend more time doing and ride off what I love, Photography 🙂

    Some of my work can be seen at,
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  • John Rofrano

    November 8, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    [Matthew Jeschke] “Any Suggestions?”

    Replace the AMD CPU with an Intel Core i7. AMD is horrible for video editing. Also you should have 2GB of memory for each core so 8 cores should have 16GB of memory to be optimal.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Matthew Jeschke

    November 9, 2015 at 2:19 am

    Yeah I’ve heard that about AMD :/

    How fast I7 would do the trick?

    I’ll have to grab some more memory as well 🙂

    Thanks!

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    I do Architectural Photograph & Cinematography as a part of being a Residential Real Estate Consultant.

    Some of my work can be seen at,
    https://www.youtube.com/keystoaz/

    Home

    PS. It’s an excellent excuse to ride of what I love, Camera equipment 🙂

  • John Rofrano

    November 9, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    [Matthew Jeschke] “How fast I7 would do the trick?”

    I haven’t kept up with the Intel line because I moved to Mac and don’t build PC’s anymore. Get the fastest Core i7 Quad that you can afford as a minimum. Check out the VideoGuys DIY builds for ideas on parts. My last Windows PC was a Core i7 Hex-core so to me quad-core is bare minimum. I mean the title of your post does say Ultimate…. Now I’ve got a 12-Core Mac Pro w/24GB of memory. To me, that’s “Ultimate”. 😉

    It just doesn’t make sense to me to sink more money into a computer that is built around the wrong processor for video editing. Your other components look fine. It’s your CPU that needs an upgrade.

    Check out: Videoguys’ DIY 11: How to Build an Affordable Editing & Streaming Workstation with Balanced Components for the Best Performance.

    They are recommending an Intel 4790k i7 Quad-Core. Just don’t take their advice on the NVIDIA card and stick with your AMD Radeon for Vegas Pro work.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Rudy Galvan

    November 22, 2015 at 11:21 am

    I am planning on following the DIY 11 build, however I do not know which AMD Radeon GPU I should use for Sony Vegas 13. After doing some research, I found that others recommend the R9 280x. I also found a site that does a OpenCL benchmark test: https://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/reviews/hardware/vgacards/32697-xxl-test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-and-970-with-maxwell-architecture.html?start=15

    The GeForce GTX 970 & 980 test a little better than the Radeon R9 280x.(cost is almost double for Nvidia GPU) Another long article: https://www.gpurendering.com/technology/CudaVsOpencl.html

    Basically concluded that the higher end Nvidia GPU’s will give you the best of both worlds, Cuda and OpenCL(I also use Photoshop, which this article notes that it uses Cuda). However, many have said that the Nvidia cards don’t do rendering well on Sony Vegas 13. So are the tests just bogus and don’t reflect the real world application?

    Leaning toward AMD GPU since I will be using Vegas much more. Should I consider the Nvidia GPU?

    Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

  • John Rofrano

    November 23, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    [Rudy Galvan] “The GeForce GTX 970 & 980 test a little better than the Radeon R9 280x.(cost is almost double for Nvidia GPU)”

    Yea, they are not in the same class. There is a significant difference between the R9 280 Series and the R9 290 Series and as you can see in the benchmark the R9 290 is on par with the NVIDIA 970 series. I would recommend the Radeon R9 295 or 295X if you can afford it.

    [Rudy Galvan] “Basically concluded that the higher end Nvidia GPU’s will give you the best of both worlds, Cuda and OpenCL(I also use Photoshop, which this article notes that it uses Cuda). However, many have said that the Nvidia cards don’t do rendering well on Sony Vegas 13. So are the tests just bogus and don’t reflect the real world application?”

    All benchmarks that don’t use real-world applications are bogus. They are a fabrication of how well hardware performs but are not in indication of how your application will perform. I don’t care how well a benchmark says that NIVIDA handles OpenCL… users of Vegas Pro have reported much better performance with AMD cards so however Sony is using OpenCL in Vegas Pro, it seems to favor AMD cards. Considering that Sony and AMD had a partnership, makes this no surprise. I’m sure they worked very closely with AMD to squeeze every once of performance out of their cards.

    [Rudy Galvan] “Leaning toward AMD GPU since I will be using Vegas much more. Should I consider the Nvidia GPU?”

    I think Adobe now supports OpenCL. You should check. My son is using my old 2008 Mac Pro 8-Core w/Radeon HD 5870 with Photoshop CS6 and it performs very well. I see no need to buy an NVIDIA card just for Photoshop.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Rudy Galvan

    November 24, 2015 at 2:13 am

    Thank you very much for the response.

    If there were a benchmark on benchmark results, it would be very poor. There are countless examples of where the benchmarks are not reliable, that is why I was leaning towards an AMD card based on actual user input. Just did not know if Nvidia had improved on their later models for OpenCL.

    I will take your advice on the 290/290x.

    A few more questions:

    Is there a particular brand you recommend or one I should stay away from.

    Are there any power or heat considerations based on the DIY 11 build.

    Thanks Again

  • Matthew Jeschke

    November 26, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    Thanks John for all the great tips and reference to the DIY build page! FYI ~ your help on creative cow has fastracked a lot of my efforts. Really appreciate it!

    I asked another video editing buddy about his setup which is pretty much all out awesome (his company pays for it). He has DUAL graphics cards & Xeon processor in a Mac setup w/ 16 gig memory and SSD drives.

    I sprung for the extra memory & larger monitor (39″ 4k TV). The memory made a HUGE difference in rendering but system still lags on timeline playback, specifically reversed clips and transitions. I noticed on renders before it would render a few frames then stop… render a few more, then stop. Now it renders straight through w/o any lag. My next big purchase will be a better Motherboard and processor (memory I have is compatible with i7 as well)

    Picture of my current Hodge-podge setup. FYI ~ ESD Nightmare, I don’t recommend setting PC on carpet lol… Trying to track down a Dual monitor DVI splitter cable to hookup my 3rd monitor :/

    ————————————–

    I do Architectural Photograph & Cinematography as a part of being a Residential Real Estate Consultant.

    Some of my work can be seen at,
    https://www.youtube.com/keystoaz/

    Home

    PS. It’s an excellent excuse to ride of what I love, Camera equipment 🙂

  • John Rofrano

    November 28, 2015 at 1:24 am

    [Rudy Galvan] “Is there a particular brand you recommend or one I should stay away from. “

    SAPPHIRE makes good cards as does ASUS. I don’t know of any that are bad. Mts manufacturers are working from the AMD reference design so all of the cards are very similar. I have a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7950.

    [Rudy Galvan] “Are there any power or heat considerations based on the DIY 11 build. “

    You want a case that has good cooling. My last PC build used a Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black with a CORSAIR H100 liquid cooler and everything stayed nice a cool. Just make sure that the case has good air flow and that you use a quality 850W+ PSU so that you have plenty of stable power.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • John Rofrano

    November 28, 2015 at 1:54 am

    You’re welcome Matthew. I’m glad I could help you accomplish your goal faster. Good luck!

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

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