youtube studio mic setup

[Ty Ford]

Hello Joel and welcome to the Cow Audio Forum.

You are up against the wall of science. So, you’re the shooter and on-camera at the same time?

Yes, one mic for two people can work if their voices are the same volume, but you have three people. The added person makes a big difference. You might also fix up your space with better acoustical treatment. to lessen the bounce.

You want to stay with two tracks for three people. You also realize that that, in itself creates a compromise.

Solutions range from getting someone to mix the show live, to getting a recorder with three tracks and two more mics and fixing everything in post, or getting a mixer/recorder with automix features. About the lavs. If you learn how to dress and place them properly, your risk will be limited. You could also wear an ear bud whole on camera so you can hear what’s going on.

Bottom line: You need more gear and people to get to the next level.

What a shock!!! ☺

Regards,

Ty Ford
Cow AUdio Forum Leader

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[Richard Crowley]

I was unable to locate you on YouTube. There was nothing I could identify as “dadvgirls”? A link would not be out of place here IMHO.

Assuming a typical room, you probably could use some acoustical treatment to reduce the acoustics of the room so that it sounds less like you are recording in the toilet.

As Ty said, recording 3 people with 1 microphone is quite problematic. Unless you have a talented boom operator and a scripted show. But using two microphones (each between each pair of people) might work. You could try a pair of desk microphones like these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019H3VNAQ

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[Bruce Watson]

[Richard Crowley] “I was unable to locate you on YouTube. There was nothing I could identify as “dadvgirls”? A link would not be out of place here IMHO.”

I found it on FB, Twitter, and Instagram. But not on YouTube.

One thought on the picture posted — dad in middle, girl on each side, all behind a flat table. In this case, a couple of boundary mics on the table might work. IDK, I haven’t tried it.

Alternatively, a used SD 302, or a Tascam DR-70D maybe, and three OST 801/802s with XLR interfaces, and three XLR cables might be the ticket. The 302 would require you to do a live mix to two-track which shouldn’t be that difficult. The DR-70D would just record the three channels separately IIRC.

[Joel Conder]

Hey Ty, Thanks for the advice..
Having someone mix the show at this stage is out of the question.
I have looked into a mixer/recorder and the is definitely an option. If I did go for the mixer/recorder would you recommend lav mics or adding an extra 1 or 2 shot gun mics? At the moment I’m using auto gain on the camera and to be fair its doing a pretty good job, If I didn’t get a mixer, is there a microphone that is more suited to what I’m doing than a Sen 416? Looking at the picture from the jersey shore set the mic looks different. Or would adding an extra shotgun mic improve the situation, if I did add an extra mic would a mix of the 2 mics sound good or would i need to cut between mics in the edit depending on who’s taking?

A link to my channel if its helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=8DVZ0EzkVNY (just listen to the bits where its me and my 2 girls sitting at table as thats the main format)

Thank you so much for your help!

Joel

[Joel Conder]

Hi Richard,
Thats strange that no one can find my channel… maybe cos its new.

Here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=8DVZ0EzkVNY (just listen to the parts where its me and my 2 girls at the desk as thats the main format)

As I mentioned just now to Ty, I’m using auto gain on the camera and its doing a pretty good job of balancing the audio.

I have thought about acoustic treatment but this is also my home office and slightly reluctant to cover walls in acoustic tiles.

With the desk microphones, do you have to be very close to them or can they be half meter or so away?

I love the sound that these guys get on their show and don’t see any lavs so I’m guessing must be a boom, but when ever i use boom for a shoot never sounds this good! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeCoH6dPPWU

Ive also seen a wide shot of their set and didn’t see any acoustic tiles, unless on the ceiling?

Thanks for your help!!

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[Joel Conder]

that tascam DR70 looks like a good shout! Thanks

[Ty Ford]

Joel,

Just because you don’t see a lav doesn’t mean there isn’t one. Good lavs can be placed quite well…and invisibly.

You don’t hear the room on their clip and you do hear it on yours. If you want something approaching their sound, you need to reduce the room noise and get closer to your mics.

Regards,

Ty Ford
Cow Audio Forum Leader

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[Joel Conder]

That’s a good point, I hadn’t thought of that! Did you see me reply to your initial response? Thanks

[Ty Ford]

Joel,

Yes, that’s why I said what I did.

Regards,

Ty Ford
Cow Audio Forum Leader

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[Joel Conder]

Sorry Ty, think maybe some confusion, i might not have posted correctly as I’m new to this. The reply you gave me was in response to what i wrote to Richard. I was more specifically referring to my reply to you in which i asked if there was a mic that was more suited to what I’m doing rather than the senheiser 416, looking at the picture i uploaded of the jersey shore show it looks like a different mic… So got me thinking maybe there is something better than a shotgun to pic us up, that can still be mounted in a boom stand. If you could just clarify that il get out of your hair.. LOL. Thanks so much. It is much appreciated 🙂