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[Oliver Peters] “Look at it this way. Apple is looking out for your best interests. They know you can’t upgrade the nMP much, so they want you to get as many years out of it as possible :)”
All I want is a bone, just throw me a bone Apple. haha
[Darren Roark] “This is the grey area, the GPUs, RAM, and SSD are considered ‘user serviceable’ but as of yet there are no 3rd party GPUs or Apple upgrades available.
I’m hoping they offer upgrade kits as they have in the past for the cgMP™. That will say a lot if that happens or not.”
I know the GPUs are replaceable, but are they intended to be user upgradeable the same way the RAM and SSD are?
I think Apple’s money is in external GPU expansion via ThB even if it’s still not yet as fast as a 16x slot. AFAIK the Mac versions of GPUs that fit inside cMP are the same as the Windows versions but w/just different firmware(?) and a price hike which is why you can flash a Windows card and make it a Mac card. Starting w/10.8 (I think) Apple started supporting pretty much every card, but only official Mac versions give you the grey boot up screen. Maybe when the new, nMP come out Apple will offer the new GPUs will be backwards compatible with the 2013 nMP and Apple will offer them as stand alone purchase for those that want to upgrade, but that just seems very unlike Apple these days.
It all depends on the performance hit of course, but I’d bet most people would go with an external solution where they could pick their card vs paying a premium for Apple’s custom designed, AMD-based GPUs that only work in a nMP.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Maybe when the new, nMP come out Apple will offer the new GPUs will be backwards compatible with the 2013 nMP and Apple will offer them as stand alone purchase for those that want to upgrade, but that just seems very unlike Apple these days.
It all depends on the performance hit of course, but I’d bet most people would go with an external solution where they could pick their card vs paying a premium for Apple’s custom designed, AMD-based GPUs that only work in a nMP.”
This may offer a clue…. https://www.macvidcards.com/blog/macos-sierra-had-native-egpu-support
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[Charlie Austin] “This may offer a clue…. https://www.macvidcards.com/blog/macos-sierra-had-native-egpu-support
“Gracias, you are a wealth of information Mr. Austin.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I know the GPUs are replaceable, but are they intended to be user upgradeable the same way the RAM and SSD are?”
They are easy to remove and Apple hasn’t they aren’t. They have said the memory and the SSD are.
[Andrew Kimery] “Maybe when the new, nMP come out Apple will offer the new GPUs will be backwards compatible with the 2013 nMP and Apple will offer them as stand alone purchase for those that want to upgrade, but that just seems very unlike Apple these days.”
They did release a 7950 for the cgMP not long ago and the upgrade kits were always few and far between. There haven’t been next gen GPU updates until a couple months ago so I’m hoping there is a way to upgrade soon.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Gracias, you are a wealth of information Mr. Austin.”
This is some other food for thought, interesting how some tests do almost as well over TBolt2 as they do in a PCI slot in a cgMP.
https://barefeats.com/tube21.html
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[Andrew Kimery] “I guess where I’m sorta confused is that many products work on 12-18 month product cycles (cars, consumer electronics, camping gear, etc.,) and many people still buy the current model year, as opposed to waiting for a ‘year end clearance sale’, yet you make it sound like it’s an unsustainable business model.”
I’m not saying it’s unsustainable, I’m just saying it might not be logical anymore, for Apple to be in the speed wars.
The straightfoward CPU/GPU math doesn’t always add up to what is fastest.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m not saying it’s unsustainable, I’m just saying it might not be logical anymore, for Apple to be in the speed wars.”
I’m not saying Apple should get into an speed war with HP. I just want Apple to get into an speed war with itself. Have the expensive, flagship line get buffed more than once every three years, make it fast enough that the ‘consumer’ machine with the single mobile GPU gets left in the dust, etc.,
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[Andrew Kimery] “make it fast enough that the ‘consumer’ machine with the single mobile GPU gets left in the dust, etc.,”
On many tasks and general editing this is true but for large outputs and Red footage transcoding the maxed out Mac Pro is still much faster in FCP X.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I’m not saying Apple should get into an speed war with HP. I just want Apple to get into an speed war with itself. Have the expensive, flagship line get buffed more than once every three years, make it fast enough that the ‘consumer’ machine with the single mobile GPU gets left in the dust, etc.,
“I guess it depends on what you need to do, and as I was trying to say earlier, there are things that don’t add up.
Intel QuickSync allows fast h264 encode/decide on smaller, cheaper, less powerful processors, when you’d think that a faster (larger core number/more powerful) processor would simply overpower it.
Even comparing GPUS, sometimes the cheap ones outperform the expensive ones. It’s hard to justify a big cost increase to buy the parts.
The reason your socks aren’t getting blown off is becuase the difference isn’t all that great in editing operations. Sure, big 3D renders, lots of compositing with edge blends, rays, glows, prediction will favor some juice, but that doesn’t necessarily translate in a mathematical correlation. Double the cores rarely means twice as fast.
Just as the old MacPro hung around for a while, Apple kept it on sale. If the MacPro line was dead, they would kill it. Apple still makes very nice machines, and the MacPro might not be the best value at the moment, and my guess is Apple knows it, so why would they buy the most expensive pieces for no return?
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On a different note, some more info here about WWDC in general:
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