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“Wunderbaum” – Grading techniques
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While Sascha’s node tree looks fairly complicated for most grades its really nothing compared to Jakes image.
You seriously work like that?!
“Just look the pictures of nodes and layers and judge for yourself, which one would you rather use?:-)”
Thats not a serious question right??
When did colour grading become a series of numbers and lists that need to be deciphered? Totally takes all the fun away……..
The nodes take almost no time at all to get used to and for most grades you’d probably never need the complexity of Sascha’s structure, although it obviously works for him. Day to day stuff you’d remove half of that structure for the same result, and as he says this covers everything he needs and then winds it back by disabling accordingly.
Danny Scotting – Senior Colourist
Post Op Group Sydneyhttps://postopgroup.com.au/site/?page_id=1052
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Personally, I’d rather use a Baselight, whose interface is probably simpler, clearer, and more immediately descriptive than either one. But that’s not what this conversation is about.
You don’t like the node orientation, I get it. But before you claim to have the high road as to what Blackmagic “should” or “should not” do, you should probably consider that there are an awful lot of Resolve users who are quite happy and don’t happen to share your affinity for a layer based interface. That doesn’t make you wrong, and it doesn’t make them right, but different products exist for a number of reasons. Each company uses its own design ideas and customer (and potential customer) feedback to design something they feel works well for those customers and is extensible enough to add new features in the future without forcing a complete redesign. Most Resolve users probably feel the interface is just fine the way it is. You don’t happen to agree. That doesn’t mean the company should change it simply because one potential customer doesn’t like it.
Perhaps you would prefer that they go the Apple route and release Resolve Pro X. I’m sure that would go over well…
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Mike.
Everyone have personal preferences. If you had read my earlier response a bit more careful, you would have seen, that my complains are always of a personal nature. As you prefer Baselight, I prefer FilmMaster, but by not much. Again, either choice isn’t more correct, that other, it’s just that, a personal choice. My dislike of inefficiency of Resolve interface, again, is my personal choice. I, just like you, have a perfect right to state my opinion and it’s up to BM to take it or to ignore it. Said that, I’m using Resolve as is and quite enjoying it. But it doesn’t mean, that it can’t be better.
As my last point, Mike, I’d like to remind you, that you were one of the most strident opponents of the idea of having color wheels on the Resolve on the RedUser, going as far as using Baselight’s interface as an example of having sliders. So, I’d say the proof is in the pudding- BM listened to me and I ended up being right. So, I’m going to continue to state my opinions:-) -
With due respect, I really have no idea what is your point.
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>I’d like to remind you, that you were one of the most strident opponents of the idea of having color >wheels on the Resolve on the RedUser, going as far as using Baselight’s interface as an example of having >sliders.
Huh???? I don’t remember ever saying such a thing. You might be confusing me with someone else, but I honestly don’t recall ever having such a discussion.
I did read your post quite carefully, and although you were understandably voicing an opinion, it doesn’t always come across that way when you say things like “Blackmagic needs to rethink the whole Resolve interface paradigm,” and go on about how bad nodes are for color correction. Whether you realize it or not, you do come on pretty strong and rather unbending on these things, and that doesn’t lend a reader to understand that it’s just a simple opinion. Take it from someone who’s often been accused of doing the same thing.
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Only if Color had unlimited secondary rooms.. 🙂 But still I’d rather have better performance than better UI anyday for serious jobs.
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By the way, I wasn’t saying that I dislike the node approach for grading. Actually, I find myself rather enjoy this whole node thing by now after using it for three weeks. I think I now have the hang of it, and I think it makes quite sense when I do certain tasks that I had never thought of before. If BM takes away this node thing from me, I can live with that. But I think I will miss it.
Back on topic, I think what Sascha is showing us is a pretty good demonstration of how one can approach this node structure, not what one should do in every job, IMHO. After a couple weeks of learning the tool, I started building my own set of Power Grades with different labels that are pretty close to what Sascha is doing. However, I just don’t save the whole tree to apply on every shot I do. When I need a mask, for example, I bring in just that from the Power Grade room, which is already pre-labeled. Later on when I revisit a certain grade, I can tell what’s happening on each node, since they are already all pre-labeled.
Of course, I don’t really have a power grade that says “Primary” 🙂
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Been a good read… i use very similar nodes as my base to start a show with the tool set i am using. Today i’m heading in to screen a feature for myself, last weeks work, ahead of a producer screening in Monday, film reel outputs are starting Monday evening… 100% of this show has node based color correction
i don’t use Resolve (yet) am evaluating it for my workflow and ROI…. but without nodes i would be much less interested in Resolve… so best for me if BMD turn a deaf ear to Mr JB’s wishes, dreams and desires.
Nodes are key to creating the style of work that my clients are asking for, and that i am happy to provide.. i have a client base that for the most part is very experenced, and are looking at tools that can encompass work beyond what the trad “color suite” can do… works for me.
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OK, Mr. JB will bite. As usual, without any reasonable explanation you just give an opinion. Obviously, because it’s so easy, everyone can do that. In turn, I’m offering my reasoning behind questioning of wisdom of using present BM approach.
So, here is another example.
If I wanted to move any of the layers/nodes up or down on the grade chain, in Nucoda i just grab it and move it up or down. In Resolve I have to break connections and reconnect manually to achieve the same thing. BTW, if you do that, the node display usually becomes quite messy, so then you need to spend some time fixing that. You have to admit, that it takes much more effort with the Resolve method, than with Nucoda’s. So, now, that I gave you a practical example of advantage of the layers approach vs present time node structure of Resolve, can you give me a practical example of why node structure of Resolve is superior to all others color grading platforms? -
Personally I wouldn’t say it’s about nodes or layers being superior.
Grade with what you like… Every system has pros and cons and believe me even my beloved Nucoda has cons. Software grading is still in a fairly primitive stage and you really have to look at what you get for money if you’re investing in kit.
They all do very similar things, sure in my opinion Film Master has more tools than Resolve, but Baselight has more customisable tools. It’s not even a case of ‘horses for courses’.
Personally I prefer layers like in Photoshop, as opposed to Nodes, but to be quite honest, I’ll grade with whatever I’m asked to as they’ll all do the job perfectly well enough.
Not many colourists would turn down grading a huge Hollywood feature just because Deluxe or Company 3 tell you that the client booked one of their Resolves…
Jack Jones
Freelance Colourist
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