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Workflow from P2 card to FCP to M100?
Here’s one for the P2 Cows: Footage shot on the HVX 200 at 24p, 1280×720. End editing platform: Media 100, standard-def anamorphic, 720×486, 29.97.
What is the right way to get from here to there? I presume: dump the P2 footage on the cards to an FCP 1280×720 timeline (24p timeline? 29.97 timeline?) Nest it into a 720×486 timeline and export out to Quicktime (lower field first, since that’s what M100 uses)? Do I need to add or remove pulldown in FCP anywhere in the chain to make sure it’ll play smoothly in the Media 100 timeline?
It’s being edited in M100 instead of FCP for a reason… no need to go into that here!
Thanks much,
Larry Marshall
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8 Replies
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Any chance of switching over to FCP? M100 is not really a good platform to use with the HVX. Otherwise the workflow you described would work- not sure on the pulldown side as I don’t know what the M100 goes for in terms of 24p.
Noah
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I know M100 is not a good platform for the HVX directly. It’s more of the finishing station, whereby I need to take the 1280×720 24p footage and knock it down (via FCP or After Effects?) to anamorphic 720×486 SD, 29.97, at which point M100 is fine and dandy. It’s the conversion I was wondering about…
Thanks, LM
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Hmm, media 100 as a finishing station? Is it Media 100 Hd or Media100i? You could, if you want, set up an SD AE project, scale your movies to fit (letterbox or center cut) and render straight out to Media100 codec with pulldown, but I think I’d rather eat glass, or perhaps buy fcp for 999 and edit 720p24 native.
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Using M100 HD. The 1280×720 footage are extra clips that are being incorporated into a larger M100 project, so to go back and start from scratch with FCP would not be realistic at this point. Letterboxing out of AE also not the proper way to go, as the project is being edited anamorphic 4:3. That’s why I’m trying to figure the best way to get these HD clips, shot at 24p, into a Quicktime file that is anamorphic 720×486, 29.97.
Larry M
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Having come from the Media 100 world, I would strongly recommend editing in 720p, then outputting to SD via a Decklink card.
The advantage: no need to convert to M100 codec. All the speed and advantages of FCP. On-the-fly conversion from HD to SD in real time via the Decklink card. Very easy re-purposing to HD at any time as the entire project will already exist in HD, complete with audio mixdown, EQ and visual effects.
If you edit in SD on a M100 system and decide to output the program to HD in the future, you’d be struggling to generate a usable EDL out of Media 100 and have all that hard work translated into something that can be used elsewhere. Add the need to recapture or relink HD media and a nightmare soon develops.
I had a one-hour pilot edited on Media 100 and converted it to FCP. Tried to re-use the original media but that didn’t work at all. So I ended up exporting an EDL, importing that EDL into FCP, recapturing all the footage from the original DV tapes, and having to fix a myriad of things which didn’t translate in the process. Was a hassle in the truest sense of the word!
I can probably guess why you might want to finish it with M100. But trust me. In the long run you’d be much better off doing this in FCP.
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Dean Sensui — http://www.HawaiiGoesFishing.com
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Thanks for relaying some real-world experience, Dean. As I mentioned, though, this project is already well underway in M100 and there is no time to start this project over again editing in FCP. The Decklink solution sounds great for the next one, though!
Meanwhile…still wondering about a solution mentioned in my first post in the thread…
Larry M
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Okay. Media 100 HD can handle almost any format you throw at it in real time. The problem is it doesn’t support or handle 24p very well. My advice to you, is to lay off all of your 720p24 material to tape, bringing it up to 720p60. Media 100 can then deal with that format pretty well as it well either uprez it to 1080i, or you can downconvert on capture to anamorphic 720×486 using either Media 100 or the DVCPRO HD deck to do the downconvert. If you don’t want to do that, then you can output an anamorphic 720×486 Media 100 file out of after effects which will take a long time if you have a lot of shots. Dean is right, any further edls or needing to redigitize will be a pain. If you lay off your clips to tape, you will have a permanent backup. I come from media 100 as well and the Media100 HD hardware is totally kick butt, but if you want non NTSC frame rates, it gets a bit funky. Also 720p becomes 1080i no matter what you do.
Good luck.
Jeremy
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Thanks Jeremy… was already thinking along the lines of renting the HD deck to do a layoff. Seems like the best solution for now.
Much appreciation to all, Larry M
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