With 8.1.1 BM has just thrown a very destructive blow to the entire C-grading business

[Kim Krause]

you are of course assuming they have money and are impressed by stuff like that. in south africa the average rate for grading is about 1/4 of in america so most client either don’t bother grading or just try and squeeze you to do the job for next to nothing. i found a work around. they give me the drive then bugger off after we chat about what they need done and how much time they can afford. i do the job on my own according to my schedule of prioriities (real jobs with money get first place) and we all win. they get the job done for the amount they can afford. i get tons of work and don’t have to entertain clients so my expenses are further reduced. no fancy edit suite with internet and cappuccino. just good old fashioned honest grading.

[Gabriele Turchi]

My vote is to have a 5000 USD Resolve Pro version Moving on …
so at least people that will not be serious about trying to build a color correction service will give up , stop “messing” the market with their offer .

again , i do believe that talent win and big clients want the big room (resolve panel etc..( i do have those) , but i am hearing a lot from clients that zoo many now offer “resolve work” for very tiny money … again , who is not serious about will not last , but for sure there is confusion in the marked of resolve colorist

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[Sascha Haber]

The only thing that happens is that standards are dropping and people who would have considered going to a colorist now pay overtime to the editor who has a new free plugin.
Or they just ask him to do it for free because he didn’t payed anything either.

Its not good to throw niche software away for free.
They should stop selling it solo then and bundle it with the panel for 10K.
End of story.

A slice of color…

DaVinci 8.0.1 OSX 10.7
MacPro 5.1 2×2,4 24GB
RAID0 8TB eSata 6TB
GTX 470 / GT 120
Extreme 3D+ WAVE

http://www.saschahaber.com

[Gabriele Turchi]

interesting…,

Resolve Only Bundled with the Panel at 15K (half of the actual price ) … i would buy another one …

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GTX470+GTX470+GTX285
24GB RAM
HP Dreamcolor
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[Rick Turners]

Seriously.. I wonder how many people would sign a pre-order (market test) of offering Resolve + Panel for around 10k, and then eliminating an unlimited free version.

At the moment, to be honest, If I was going to throw down around 40k, I might as well shell out a bit more for a system that is a bit more elitist so I dont have to explain the value of the Resolve when clients start asking questions.

But yes, all of that aside, its leveled the playing field and will create a ton more colorists, so there will be as many colorists as editors or aspiring directors or actors, which will be really cool.

[Kim Krause]

are you crazy? who has that kind of cash to throw around? if you want to spend more money go and buy a base light or nu coda. if you wanted a cheaper solution i would go with the free version and buy my own panels…would be even less than 10k…maybe we can get the software for free when we buy a tangent eclipse or something. yes this whole free thing has really kicked up the game a notch but in the end its talent that wins out. sure we are all gonna lose out to the cheaper guys but thats just life. same thing happened in the audio industry but we still have big expensive recording studios. and some people still feel the need to use a post house for editing when others prefer to do it on their own with a laptop in the lounge. the genie is out of the bottle and now we gotta figure out how to deal with it!

[Gabriele Turchi]

i think that what kim is saying should be pretty explanatory to blackmagic to what people think now about resolve :

No money available =Buy Resolve super cheap
Money available = Buy Baselight

well off course this is incredibly wrong statement , because resolve can totally be considered at the same level of baselight if surrounded by the proper hardware : Resolve Panel , 4GPU etc…(the biggest blockbusters Movie on earth are graded on Resolve on Linux systems )

so seems that this all “” For free”” or “1K price” thing…now people are associating in their mind that davinci is not worth to spend money on … and if you have money “spend it on a baselight” …

off course i believe the opposite (i spent my 50K or so on a Resolve) , but i think that blackmagic should consider that people out there are already considering resolve as a “””if you have no money “” alternative …

my 2 cents

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Davinci Resolve Control Surface
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2 Red Rockets
GTX470+GTX470+GTX285
24GB RAM
HP Dreamcolor
Panasonic 58PF Plasma

[Kim Krause]

don’t forget color was also free (with FCP) and a lot of us built up a business around it. in fact it’s still great application for many projects. free resolve is no different…..the real change is now that more and more people are jumping onto the grading bandwagon. when color was released, not many people embraced it at first and it was never considered a “pro” application in some circles. then again neither was final cut when it first came out…but 5 years later and the world changed. all of a sudden everyone who had final cut was an editor. i used this to my advantage when i set out on my own and based my entire workflow on FCP and Color compatibility/round tripping. i don’t think any of us could have predicted how soon that would all change. i figured i would have to cross grade to resolve at some point as color was being dropped.
i was just about to order the full version and start adapting it to my workflow next year. thank you black magic for saving me that expense. so now i have to compete with the same people i used to compete with as they also jump onto the davinci wagon. just because the software is free, i don’t see a big loss for myself. after all you still need all the other equipment to put together a suite. if you already have the hardware it’s a no brainer as far as reasons to step up to davinci. just keep in mind that the new young talent is now on the same playing field and the days of big expensive post house grading suites is quickly coming to an end. the really high end jobs will still be catered for by the base lights and nucodas of the world but for 90% of your average television work, the field is wide open.

[Gabriele Turchi]

Kim all you say have no point because you consider resolve the product for the cheap facilities and baselight and nucoda (not sure why you don’t mention Lustre ) for the biggest jobs….
that i not rue ,

do you understand that the biggest hollywood blockbusters movie are graded by company 3 on a davinci resolve ???

so assuming that resolve is for the smaller jobs , have no point in this discussion , but certainly prove what is happening : resolve “value” declassed

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Davinci Resolve Control Surface
MacPro
Cubix desktop 4
2 Red Rockets
GTX470+GTX470+GTX285
24GB RAM
HP Dreamcolor
Panasonic 58PF Plasma

[Kim Krause]

i didnt mention lustre or scratch for that matter as they are not as popular in some areas. and yes davinci is used on big budget films but it is the full blown everything included full on plus 3D versions and not the cheap resolve on a mac. i wouldn’t even try to grade 4 k files or even native red on a single mac with resolve. having a more inexpensive (free) version of davinci doesn’t mean it will compete with the big guns. unfortunately too many people think that just because they now have davinci they are “pros” that is not true and for one would never imply that. talent and a big paycheck is what separates the pros from the hobbyists. i came from the pro (commercial) background and made the decision to strike out on my own and play in the less stressful indie and documentary field. because of budgets and a less hectic work load, i was able to outfit myself with the tools needed to still provide a professional product at a very affordable price. i chose color as my weapon of choice merely because of ease of use and compatibility with clients who were using final cut. it was a great workflow and i don’t regret a single minute of the decision. however as you can see times have changed and the goal posts have been moved once again so it is time to look at other options. if i can no longer make a living in this market because of everyone undercutting each other on price then maybe i will even have to look elsewhere for work. thats the reality that we all as colorists have to face. i consider myself fortunate enough to have survived the last five years providing an excellent service to clients who can appreciate what i do for them. and as usual it’s the talent and not the toys that shine through.