Wish for PP2.5- 3.0 to handle larger # of clips in vain?

[Blast1]

Why don’t you attach a specific number to the ammount of clips you want to use and can use.

[Vince Becquiot]

I think, what you mean is, a large number or “rendered” cips. I have never had any problems with large (I do mean large) numbers of unrendered clips. I think it is partly understandable due to the amount of work that had to be done in the background just to handle a simple cut on rendered footage without having to re-render several minutes around that cut (It’s the way it used to be in previous versions). In my case, it just causes short freezes, and yes it is annoying, but I no longer render as I go since premiere can give a fairly seamless playback without rendering.

BTW, a crash is probably due to another issue. I have yet to see PP2 crash on my main machine, and I push its limits pretty far sometimes, but again, that’s the only thing installed on that machine and probably the way it should be…

Vince

[Richard Milner]

Actually, I’m reviewing one project that has over 30,000 files including graphics, audio, ,video, and rendered.

I still would like to get an answer to my question.

Richard

[Marisu Fronc]

Vincent-

No, just a large number of clips – a fairly standard job usually has around 25,000 source files (no oddball formats, no weird audio, nothing on the machine except the production suite, max usuable ram, no dynamic links to ae, etc). The renders are not excessive – mostly short dissolves and the occasional lower third, usually 4 or 5 working sequences at a time ranging from 20 – 60 minutes apiece. Although by going SLOWLY and saving frequently (and shifting focus from Premiere occasionally to let it purge more RAM than it normally will on its own) they usually end up hanging, freezing and not responding (and after about a 5 minutes of that I’m out of time and the reboot is coming). Once you get into the SERIOUS rendering (for final color corrected output with the mix) it can turn into a nightmare just getting a continuous playout.

slainte,
marisu

[Marisu Fronc]

Although by going SLOWLY and saving frequently (and shifting focus from Premiere occasionally to let it purge more RAM than it normally will on its own) they usually end up hanging, freezing and not responding

OKAY, my typing is not at its best – after the ) I left out – they work okay for awhile, but

Hope that clarifies my sentence

marisu

[Vince Becquiot]

With 30000 rendered clips, I can see some issues on the horizon. That’s t when you usually would want to plan your project split in several smaller projects, which I do already on half that size

I think this will get better once we see support for quad-core CPUs. But, I think you will find by asking in other forums that no software based NLE will handle that type of project smoothly without dedicated hardware, such as in AVID Media Composer. I use Avid Xpress on a regular basis, and I can see its limits coming pretty quickly as well.

Vince

[Marisu Fronc]

Vincent-

Unfortunately splitting it into smaller projects isn’t really an option – you’d just end up with 4 or 5 projects each with almost the same number of clips (the only difference would be fewer timelines and a couple of VO tracks). The extra time it would take to open and shut each one (at up to ten minutes apiece) would probably mean about the same amount of wasted time as having to periodically shut premiere and reopen it.

slainte,
marisu

[Jim Leonard]

“a fairly standard job usually has around 25,000 source files”

No, no it doesn’t. How long a project are we talking here? If 2 hours or less, 25,000+ individual files means you have a serious problem in your workflow! Why on earth so many files?

[Vince Becquiot]

I was just about to say, if each clip was just 5 seconds, that would be about 2000 hours of footage ??

It sure seems like something isn’t right here…

Vince

[Brian De herrera-schnering]

I currently have a project with 30,000 files under the main folder (some of these files are not referenced by the project). If we assume that each clip is five seconds in length the result is 41.67 hours of footage, which is completely reasonable. Many files are dissolve renders or little captures from the edl.

This project (the one originally posted about) includes footage captured via edl as well as two other projects that were imported. All DV25, stills and WAVs. The client wanted to combine elements and footage from all three so this was the obvious approach. It has ballooned to a massive thing (the project file is 114MB). One of the flaws of Premiere’s media management is the inability to import parts of a project i.e. individual bins or timelines.

In similar projects (this type or project is typical) I have noticed a distinct increase in speed, usability, and stability simply by deleting clips from the bins. Of course this strategy has limits and is usually only performed once we are at a very fine/locked cut stage.

If there are any suggestions out there, I’m all ears.

Brian