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Why the urgency to jump to Avid/Adobe RIGHT NOW?
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“now you’re telling me that I’m wrong about what I meant?”
No, I’m saying you’re unaware of what you mean. The fact that you can’t see the condescension you speak doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s quite common. Most people speak unconsciously most of their lives.
As in this very next sentence.
“I did not, do not, and never have knowingly had an interest in demeaning those who feel that they need to stick with their current software.”
We don’t need to stick with our current software, because we can’t. We are “bravely experimenting” with new platforms that meet our needs, in a way that FCPX doesn’t. So you’re not demeaning people who feel they need to stick with their current software, your demeaning people who can’t stick with their current software because it no longer exists.
It’s like your consistent use of the word “abandon” in some of your posts. The context is that WE, the complainers, are abandoning FCP. No one here is abandoning FCP, Apple has abandoned us. And no one here is abandoning FCPX, because we were never a part of it. You can’t abandon someone who has thrown you out, and you can’t abandon someplace you’ve never been.
I don’t retract anything I’ve said here. You are the one that’s been passing judgement on the way others communicate. It doesn’t surprise me that you are unable to turn that same critical eye upon yourself.
Herb Sevush
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Well, there it is in your own words.
“…Apple has abandoned us… (SNIP) … someone who has thrown you out… (SNIP).
Couldn’t be more clear from your own writing, you feel personally wounded by this change.
It must feel terrible to feel like that. You have my honest sympathy.
(And lest you mis-interpret that in any way, I’m ABSOLUTELY serious about this. Your words reveal that you see this business decision at Apple as a deep personal wound. And I take no delight whatsoever in someone else feeling bad.
Feel free to have the last word in response. I’ll leave it at this.
Peace.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Conner
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Here’s why I’ll move off of FCP7 now rather than wait for FCPX.
I know Avid. I know a bit about Premiere (learning more now). I don’t know FCPX. Right now, FCPX doesn’t work for our facility – it’s missing key features we require.
You ask why we don’t just stay with FCP7. We’ve been considering a switch. We waited to see what FCPX would be. So, we certainly could stay on FCP7 but we shoot a lot of Red. FCP7 doesn’t read Red files natively. Premiere and Avid do, so for shortform work we gain time and disk space by leaving FCP, which requires a transcode. Same with P2 and XDCam. Plus, we can open FCP7 projects in Premiere. You can’t in FCPX and Apple has stated that they won’t fix that (maybe 3rd party will, probably not).
Avid and Premiere both offer more realtime than FCP7. Substantially more. Plus, we might need to add another license to a another system in the near future. Avid and Premiere are available for purchase, FCP7 is not.
But here’s the biggest reason I’ll switch NLEs (surprised nobody has mentioned this – maybe I just missed it). FCPX requires learning a new way to do exactly what we’re doing (and we’re already doing it well and fast). So we can take time to learn how to edit again (new timeline, new terminology, etc.), or we can move to another system that already operates how we expect, uses the language we know, and we can continue editing and spend the time we would have spent learning how to edit all over again on FCPX and learn another skillset instead. Maybe C4D, spend more time training in After Effects, download DaVinci Resolve Lite and learn it, etc… For me, I see it more as – I can learn to use a new hammer even though I’m good with the old one, or I can learn how to use a saw.
That’s why I’ll leave FCP7 and not use FCPX. If FCPX grows into an app that will work in our facility, maybe it will get tested. But by the time that happens we’ll already have established new workflows around Premiere or Avid so there really wouldn’t be a need to switch. It would have to offer a substantial savings in time (exponentially more efficiencies) to get me to come back. I don’t believe it will do that, at least not fast enough to stop us from switching.
In the meantime, we use FCP7 while we get up to speed on Premiere or Avid (probably Premiere – we already own it).
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finally a voice of reason…it’s like buying a new car because the old model is discontinued when the old one is actually perfectly fine…..i think it’s just a knee jerk reaction by some divas who can’t cope with change. i know of people who are still using old avid systems with software from 3 years ago. so whats the big deal with sticking with fcp if it works. only jump to fcpx if it works for you, otherwise stick with what you have…i have even heard of some people wanting to abandon apple all together and switch to avid or premier on a pc just to spite apple….sounds like a big waste of time and money to me! the old version of fcp is a very mature programme and is still usable…if apple had introduced fcpx as imovie pro no one would have blinked and eye. we’d only be hearing praises form editors moving from imovie and none of this silly backlash would have happened…
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Dead on mate, 10 hour workdays FTW
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“Nobody goes there, it’s too crowded” Yogi Berra
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[Michael Hancock] “That’s why I’ll leave FCP7 and not use FCPX. If FCPX grows into an app that will work in our facility, maybe it will get tested. But by the time that happens we’ll already have established new workflows around Premiere or Avid so there really wouldn’t be a need to switch. It would have to offer a substantial savings in time (exponentially more efficiencies) to get me to come back. I don’t believe it will do that, at least not fast enough to stop us from switching.
“Yeah that’s the interesting thing. In order for X to become viable for pro use, it will have to significantly surpass Avid and Adobe in some major way and while Avid and Adobe will have had a multi year head start. And it seems Apple doesn’t even really plan on doing that.
The X proponents seem to miss that “being different” is not only, not necessarily better, but often a severe liability. I personally think Apple runs the risk of innovating themselves right into obscurity. People will only take having their lives re-designed so far and just start ignoring them after a while like many are now.
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Bringing this back on-topic, Yogi said this about recent announcements from Apple on hardware and software for media professionals:
“The future ain’t what it used to be.”
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Your correct, I do take this personally, being a person and all, as do many of the other posters here, which accounts for the heated level of the conversation. Which is why, while I appreciate the sympathy, a better idea would be to refrain from hectoring others about the way they express themselves, with all of us living in glass houses, as we do.
Herb Sevush
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Kim –
I need your advice. I’ve just signed a contract to cut a 26 episode cable show. It’s all tapeless, multi-cam with tight deadlines. I need to add 3 new seats to handle the work. What should I do —
1) Use FCPX — ooops, no multi-cam, can’t handle it.
2) Get 3 new licenses of FCP7 — ooops, Apple isn’t selling any, my boss refuses to risk getting anything E-bay, and FCP7 doesn’t handle AVC without time and disk consuming re-wrapping.
3) Use Adobe, handles AVC natively, handles multi-cam, is legally available now.“if apple had introduced fcpx as imovie pro no one would have blinked and eye. we’d only be hearing praises form editors moving from imovie and none of this silly backlash would have happened”
The main problem isn’t FCPX, the main problem is there isn’t going to be a FCP8. Apple has done basically nothing in the last 2 updates except to add value by buying software, like Color, and adding it to the suite. Even if they called the new software Imovie Pro, FCP editors would still be howling and searching for new platforms, but in lesser numbers, because FCP7 is already a 3 year old program. The debacle of EOLing the software has just sped up the transformation.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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