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  • Why should I pay for your obscure-use scenario?

    Posted by Chris Stevens on June 29, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Hello. I’ve used FCP for over 8 years.I’ve worked as an editor on projects for the BBC, Warner Bros. etc. La la la blah… yawn. Here is my shocking perspective:

    I love FCPX.

    For me, the new, modular, structure of FCPX seems like a very sensible decision from Apple. It means that users like me, the vast indie-masses, don’t have to subsidise the niche-tools of a tiny fraction of the user base. FCPX is now the backbone, and everything else can plug-into it. For me, this modularity is reflected in the low price of the app. Right now, sure, it sucks for various entrenched workflows, but in a couple of months third-parties will furnish the market with endless treats.

    If you want feature X, you will buy a third-party plug-in.

    95% of us don’t need your legacy support for tape etc, etc, so why should we, the indie masses, subsidise the development cost of those features for you, the 5% who do? Your obscure feature is my increased expense on the app store. Think of me and the indie masses when you launch into your requiems.

    FCPX has taken a much more sensible and modular approach.

    Watch and wait. Third-parties will develop the legacy tools for the tiny percentage of self-styled ‘pros’, while the rest of us – working with solid-state capture – don’t have to subsidise a tiny fraction of the user base.

    Scott Sheriff replied 14 years, 10 months ago 22 Members · 42 Replies
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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    June 29, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    You make an interesting “needs of the many needs of the few” argument but the “self-styled ‘pros'” crack seems unnecessary. Said the man who called randy ubillos a baboons testicle or something..

    http://www.ogallchoir.net
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  • Jamie Franklin

    June 29, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Good god. Don’t take the bait.

    Why wait, we go go buy 1 standard NLE feature right now for the low low price of 500$…or put that towards a serious toolset and let that supposed 95% play with their holiday “events”

  • Marvin Holdman

    June 29, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    God love the “indie masses”. Honestly, some of my favorite people in the world are indies.

    Some of us have to make a living with this stuff though, and one thing you are right about is that it is NOT for us. One tip…. I wouldn’t suggest adding FCPX Editor to your signature anytime soon. It won’t be getting you any jobs. FCPX may become a closet dalliance for some professionals, but it will be a LONG time before it ever regains the status of “credential”.

    Marvin Holdman
    Production Manager
    Tourist Network
    8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
    Panama City Beach, Fl
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  • Ts O’grady

    June 29, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    LOL!

  • Tom Wolsky

    June 29, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    “I wouldn’t suggest adding FCP Editor to your signature anytime soon. It won’t be getting you any jobs.”

    Boy, that so takes me back to 1999.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

  • Walter Soyka

    June 29, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    [Chris Stevens] “Your obscure feature is my increased expense on the app store. Think of me and the indie masses when you launch into your requiems.”

    I suppose this is your way of saying thank you to the many thousands of working editorial professionals, whose willingness to purchase NLE software has pushed the cost of a single-seat post-production setup from well over a $100,000 several years ago down to $299 plus a laptop?

    While I appreciate your point that you don’t want to pay for features you don’t need, the people that you are now blasting created the market that lets you be an indie.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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  • Chris Stevens

    June 29, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    I see in the ‘indie masses’ the strongest and smartest men who have ever lived. An entire generation armed with digital SLRs and cheap edit gear.

    While the ‘pros’ ingest tape from spools, the ‘indie’s’ camera firmware is hacked to obscene bitrates by Russian code-jockeys. They run solid-state workflows, self-manage color-correction. They deliver straight to YouTube. Their 100mbit footage looks like a million-dollars, but it cost them just a few hundred. While the ‘pros’ rewind their digi-beta decks, the ‘indie’ screens his work to an audience of millions across the planet.

    The original FCP had the ‘indies’ chasing complex workflow, working jobs they hate so they could buy software with a feature-set they didn’t need.

    They are the middle children of history, with no purpose or place. We have no great war, or great depression. The great war is a spiritual war. The great depression is our lives. We were raised by television to believe that we’d be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars — but we won’t. And we’re learning that fact.

    Get editing before the ‘indie’ gets even.

  • Marvin Holdman

    June 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    @ Tom

    Yeah, I remember 1999 as well. I was a closet FCP editor in those years. I got a LOT more jobs by putting “Avid” on my marketing materials. It was a long while before FCP was a professional credential. The youngsters weren’t around to know. Deja vu, all over again!

    Marvin Holdman
    Production Manager
    Tourist Network
    8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
    Panama City Beach, Fl
    phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
    cell 850-585-9667
    skype username – vidmarv

  • Chris Stevens

    June 29, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Isn’t it going to be the best of both worlds?

    The ‘indie’ gets to keep costs down with a set of strong core-features from the FCPX-backbone, the ‘pro’ gets niche-support using tools from third-parties who have much more vested interest in supporting those legacy workflows.

    Then, eventually, the ‘pro’ can evolve into the indie.

  • Herb Sevush

    June 29, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Chris –

    You are who FCPX was targeted at. I am not. I used to own a Harley, I took it into the shop and my mechanic turned it into a moped. It works for you, your commuting to work, you can save some money. It doesn’t work for me, I’m going cross country.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

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