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Why cant adobe have the best of both
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[Richard Cardonna] “but it still does not explain why cant adobe offer options for all it will make more money”
They will not make more money and I explained that. Some portion of those professionals who skipped updates will get CC. They’ve probably determined that increase in revenue will more that outweigh the infrequent upgraders who drop off. They probably have very good numbers on purchasers who skip upgrades.
They don’t want to offer an option that allows a user to skip upgrades.
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all the graphics at the various live pres studio setup locations for the London Olympics were powered by pixelmator.
It was the image editor install, along with FCP for editing. I picked it up in 5 minutes, and executed a ton of pres delivery graphics, image type combos, quiz slides etc over the course of the two weeks.
It’s very nice software – and it costs 15 dollars. It’s not photoshop, but its not a million miles away either, nice layers system, nice layer masks, nice levels, very fast to launch, very light to run.
There is nothing wrong at all with pixelmator.
And you get to own it. Unlike the Olive Oil salesmen stalking around, selling you back your own tools on hire, on the never never. Adobe is going weird I say.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Sandeep Sajeev] “No support for OpenEXR yet. Stuff like this is where the difference between the tools becomes clear.”
Ah, too bad. I just read that they currently only support 8 bit images. Hopefully, they’ll get that corrected sooner rather than later.
Thanks
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “It may be something you don’t want or need, but it sure as hell is something I want, need, and earn my living with. I’m not trying to speak for everyone…just myself.”
And I think the CC is a great idea for you and I’m glad you have it as an option. I only wish I had as useful an option.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “Then they should have waited till then to drop all other modes of distribution. It’s really amazing that they made the exact same mistake as Apple and now they’re surprised at the results.”
Herb, I don’t think what Apple did and what Adobe did are the same.
When Apple dropped FCXPX on us, they offered a new product that didn’t do everything the old product did, and they immediately EOLed the old product. Didn’t the consensus here more or less evolve to “If they were going to make a big change, they should have offered FCP7 side-by-side with FCPX for a while to smooth the transition?”
Well, Adobe offered CC new last year while CS6 perpetual licensing was still the norm, and they are now continuing to sell and support CS6 perptual licenses. Indefinitely.
From the Creative Cloud FAQ [link]:
For how long will Adobe continue to sell Creative Suite 6?
We plan to sell Creative Suite 6 for use on supported platforms indefinitely.If you look past the hysteria on the Internet, Adobe’s move is nothing like Apple’s. They changed the licensing model (apparently in anticipation of an innovative new model for the offering, which you may or may not like or be interested in), but they didn’t blow up the ecosystem the same way Apple did.
Personally, I gave up on the idea of software “ownership” when straight-up serials and dongles died and everything went to Internet activation. With permanent licenses, I’m dependent on Adobe/Autodesk/Apple/Avid/whomever to authorize my license at installation time, so I’m still “at risk” if they go under or decide to pull the plug.
I’m curious as to how this affects your decision. If Pr ends up being the best product for your needs, is the licensing a dealbreaker? Would that be enough to push you back to FCPX or MC? Even the “open source” Lightworks has a $60 yearly subscription for the good stuff [link].
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Paul Neumann] “Nobody NEEDED 2000 songs on a device in their pocket…”
I did. I had 2000 albums to start with, putting them in my pocket, and my car was a no brainer. Illustrator, Flash, and all the rest of the programs I have no interest in have been around for years. Paying off software on the installment plan has been around for years, it’s called a credit card. Downloading software direct from the producer has been around for years. Whatever the CC will become, at the moment it’s simply a distribution system. The only thing new about it is the lack of any other option. Adobe hasn’t created something I didn’t know i needed, they have offered a distribution plan I know I don’t like.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Actually Herb, I was saying CC isn’t an option for me – yet. I have my CS6 disks in hand, the software is cooking along, and I have the luxury of waiting a while. I greatly prefer owning the disks – although I’m sure there’s a way to backup an Adobe Cloud install locally – that’s a very good question for Adobe, now that I think of it.
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[Herb Sevush] ” it’s hard to be that dumb.”
On the other hand, if CC fails, there’s a bright future for them in congress.
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[Richard Cardonna] “It still doesnt make sense. if they want to make money they should have all the options availabe. You know a couple of hundred here a couple of hundred there plus the cloud adds up.”
At the MAX conference, they said they are choosing to focus on what they think the way forward is, rather than splitting development efforts on two parallel tracks (CS and CC).
[Richard Cardonna] “If they want to tread new ground they should be reminded of fcpx.”
They are selling and supporting CS6 perpetual licenses indefinitely. Isn’t that exactly what everyone here wanted Apple to do with FCP7 while transitioning to FCPX?
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Walter Soyka] ” I don’t think what Apple did and what Adobe did are the same.”
Neither do I. But one aspect of it was the same – the sudden reveal of a total departure right after NAB, without allowing a period of transition. True CC has been on the market for a year now but then CC isn’t the problem – the lack of non CC options is the problem. And that has come with no warning and no period of transition to digest it. If they were planning to do this they should have announced last year when the Cloud first came out that it was going to be the only option in a years time. Doing it now, after getting everyone excited by the NAB demos is nuts from a PR perspective, pure and simple.
I still don’t understand why they won’t offer some sort of perpetual license program, even if it means delivery months after the CC versions, even if they charge additionally for it — some sort of offering to give their customers the sense that they have options.
Speaking for myself, if PPro had a multicam feature anywhere near as good as FCPX, I wold probably go the CC route. But I absolutely understand where other editors are coming from and I think Adobe could have gotten where they wanted to go in a different way. If CC is so good why doesn’t Adobe have faith that it’s value will become self evident over the next few years?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf
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