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Which Software Will Prepare a Student for College and Industry?
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “Huh? You do understand the conditional implications of the word “if”–right?”
I do Chris,
I also undersand the implications of the word “indeed” – which presumes a factual basis for the concept. (synonyms: truly, factually, etc.) Without that word, I’d agree with you. But with it, the OP implies the concept is based in fact.
“Well, Bill, as I see it, the word “indeed” as used is synonymous with “actually,” as in “what if it actually turns out that…” In other words, “What if the reality is…” The synonyms you suggest all say the same thing, as well. IMHO, you are reacting to things that are, indeed, not there. 😉
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I agree with you Andrew.
I was slightly incorrect in my initial post; the course name is currently “Communications Technology” and is changing to “TV Broadcasting Technology”.
Our district is unique because we have 4 high schools and a district TV studio that broadcasts our news, psa’s, and live events via Comcast and Verizon. We also have a mobile production truck that travels to each school for sports broadcasting and other events. We produce a daily live news broadcast and a weekly “SNL style” variety show, that airs with live hosts and produced segments. This gets recorded and transferred to our website/youtube and we have 12 seasons archived on our site. Search “high school television” and you’ll find us.
I think the software needs to prepare the student for any NLE and should prepare students for college. We prepare them with skills and TONS of experience (more than I received in college) on a variety of gear and they leave with an impressive portfolio.
The AVID argument is valid, I’m not sure on cost. If we can get both FCPX and Adobe Production Suite licenses for the same cost, then I think that might be the best way to go because we can get experience on 2 NLEs.
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[Brian Pistone] ” Which Software Will Prepare a Student for College and Industry?”
Microsoft Excel for budgeting.
A tax/accounting software.
A robust social network for finding new clients, in which some software might help maintain these realtionships such as an email program, and social network applications, and of course, a web browser.
Teach them how to negotiate and that the discounted rate or price they might give someone for the first job will set a precedent, so choose wisely.
The rest will fall in to place provided they have the drive and talent.
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Simply put, you should teach all three major apps or at least the ones that you feel are going to best prepare your students for a career in editing and content creation. One thing you should teach – change is inevitable! No doubt this thread has advocates from any number of NLE’s and if you review the last 10 years, you’ll see a number of tectonic shifts in the editing landscape. I believe one is still going on now.
So, teach about preparedness, teach the fundamentals of editing (story-telling and the mechanics of telling a good story through editing) and I think the rest will start to work itself out.
As the Adobe guy, I think Premiere Pro is a no-brainer and it should be included in the curriculum, no doubt. However, if you feel the market is different and that another NLE the way to go, by all means, lead with that.
Dennis – Adobe guy.
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[Chris Jacek] “does your school use CLP licensing, and maintenance contracts? If so, what is your plan going forward, given Adobe’s killing of maintenance licensing and large price increase?”
Chris, I don’t think you have all of the facts here. For example, maintenance is built into the new model pricing structure. One thing Adobe has always done is give very good value to our customers. You might not like the model and that’s okay, but I’d encourage you to get all of the facts.
Creative Cloud for Students and Teachers
Dennis – adobe guy
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[Brian Pistone] “The AVID argument is valid, I’m not sure on cost.”
Education licenses are $295 a piece – when I taught we bought a 10 pack and got a slight discount. In addition, any student can purchase it for $295 and they get 4 years of free upgrades. In that respect it’s the cheapest of the bunch.
So I’d teach Avid and Premiere, given your update. The entire Adobe suite is useful to know and fits perfectly with your SNL type stuff, where you might do more compositing/motion graphics/AE type stuff, and Avid is very prominent in television/broadcast. Has your market had stations switch to FCPX or have you seen a real adoption of the software in your area? If not, I’d consider it the odd man out, especially since the timeline mechanics and terminology are different from every other NLE on the market. Skills on Avid translate very quickly to Adobe and vice versa – I’m not convinced FCPX skills translate as easily to another NLE if it’s all they’ve learned.
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Michael Hancock
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The answer from my university is that they bought educational licences and Abode helped them with the installation, but that was all. They don’t have any on-going maintenance contract.
Bernie
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with respect Dennis – that is total boilerplate.
A guy trying to run an editing department is right to be irked when the company providing the editing software turns up with a random dump truck of apps across web, print, image editing, Flash, and some weird web odds and ends and demands that he now start paying for all that stuff on a suscription basis – with a consequent massive markup in ongoing costs for ****education*** Dennis – these people rarely tend to be rolling in money, and the last thing they need is a forced olive oil salesman moment from adobe.
Saying that creative cloud represents best value is mad – it definitely doesn’t represent anything like that to Chris.
What are his students going to do – start coding dreamweaver websites when they finish analysing Thelma Schoonmaker?
It’s a poor show from Adobe – Chris has been very clear and precise about the degree to which the rug has been pulled out from under him.
They’re educators for God’s sake – its not exactly a madly profitable venture Dennis, but they actually are the ones training your future “have forty apps for just 39.999 a month” customers…
Sorry – but my sister is in education – it is a hard, almost quite thankless, penny search behind the sofa pursuit, is education.
They are supposed to have at least some kind of societal dispensation from others in society – including companies such as the one you work for.best,
Aindreas
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “turns up with a random dump truck of apps across web, print, image editing, Flash, and some weird web odds and ends and demands that he now start paying for all that stuff on a suscription basis”
Well, I always give you points for being colorful. And I appreciate your input and points of view. Thanks.
In this case, it’s a simple math thing. Education has been and is the cheapest way to purchase Adobe software today and historically. In fact, I have many times had individuals say they would purchase an Adobe suite through their kid’s college computer store because they knew it to be the cheapest way out there.
@ $360 for a year ($20 x 12), that’s still LESS expensive than purchasing a single suite to say nothing of all the apps and services you actually get. If you choose not to consider all of the other stuff like cloud storage, services, built in upgrades, new apps, tablet apps, etc. thats fine. The math still adds up for a single suite…
I would totally agree with you if Adobe was getting greedy and trying to charge more, but from everything I’ve seen, it’s simply not the case.
Like I said (and will likely say throughout 2013!), some people will not agree or get it. I can respect that. The fact is that today, CS6 is cheaper by purchasing as Creative Cloud on a subscription than as a box copy. That is true for EDU and for commercial.
With respect,
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Hi – sure,
but with respect, and look – In my context – its a killer deal: I half feel like an idiot for doing the full plump on CS6 production premium – that said, I’m self employed, some part of my nature likes to know that the card is deposited in my back pocket – doing hire purchase, where the purchase doesn’t ever happen, strikes me as leery when it involves critical tools.
that said – I still feel some lingering stupidity for not having jumped to the cloud off 5.5 production premium – as I say, I opted to pay one time for the tools contained in the CS6 offering – which are awesome.
That said – with specific regard to Chris’s fundamental point about the nuking of the arrangements in place for educators – the sums he laid out – do you have a view?
best regards,
Aindreas
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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