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What would it take?
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[Herb Sevush] “What are the rules of precedence then – which clip is viewed when you move two clips into the same temporal space?”
The one you choose to put on top? Or were you looking for a more profound answer?
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Simon Ubsdell
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[David Cherniack] “It’s not the number of tracks though they certainly are a part of it. It’s rather the consistent large number of overlapping events, both audio and video layers.”
Fcpx allows overlapping events, in fact, it’s really good at overlapping.
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[David Cherniack] “Simon, the most common insert gap operation I do will have audio clips, music and effects, overlapping. I want some of the clips to move with the gap and some to stay stationary. How is the magnetic timeline going to handle that without additional steps? I’m sincerely asking.”
Do check out the thread I mentioned earlier for a more complete explanation. It’s precisely in this case of having lots of overlapping clips where the insert gap function is far preferable (in my view) to any other way of going about it. The clip connections (which will be where you want them to be almost by definition will take care of what moves ahead and what stays put.
I’m clearly useless at explaining this point as I have tried several times without success! Unfortunately the best thing is probably to try and see if you can “break it” 😉 I couldn’t …
Simon Ubsdell
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[David Cherniack] “It’s not the number of tracks though they certainly are a part of it. It’s rather the consistent large number of overlapping events, both audio and video layers.”
Fcpx allows overlapping events, in fact, it’s really good at overlapping.”
I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing at all.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Fcpx allows overlapping events, in fact, it’s really good at overlapping.”
I’d say it’s better at handling overlapping events than anything else I’ve come across – the greater the complexity the more powerful the FCPX solution becomes …
… in this instance 😉
I do think perhaps the “complexity” David is referencing is of a different kind and I’d agree that there are types of complexity that it doesn’t (yet?) handle well – in particular the issue you are valiantly trying to address which is the “visual clutter” of the audio department of the timeline. I think there is probably a solution to this (and yours have been very interesting) but currently it does represent one of the bigger interface hurdles – for larger and more complex projects.
So there are some kinds of complexity that FCPX is good at and others where it’s still significantly weak.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “So there are some kinds of complexity that FCPX is good at and others where it’s still significantly weak.”
Well said! Magnetism (clip relationships) in the timeline is really powerful — but the self-collapsing (trackless) view is really maddening.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[David Cherniack] “I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing at all.”
I know. I’m the idiot around here.
Just because I don’t edit features doesn’t mean I don’t know what overlapping audio/video events and layers are. That’s why I asked you what “complex” editing means to you. It sounds just like editing to me, not necessarily “complex”.
By its very nature fcpx overlaps. Care to explain what you mean if I am missing something?
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Jeremy, I suggested grouping tracks as a way of reconciling magnetic collision avoidance in a hard-tracked system — then Michael Gissing told me I had re-invented clip layering which DAWs have had for ages.
I think your zones idea is brilliant, with the same flexibility as clip layering but more consistency with FCPX’s design, and I hope you send Apple this feature request.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Do check out the thread I mentioned earlier for a more complete explanation. It’s precisely in this case of having lots of overlapping clips where the insert gap function is far preferable (in my view) to any other way of going about it. The clip connections (which will be where you want them to be almost by definition will take care of what moves ahead and what stays put.
I’m clearly useless at explaining this point as I have tried several times without success! Unfortunately the best thing is probably to try and see if you can “break it” 😉 I couldn’t …”
I checked it out. I’ll take your word for it that FCP performs effortlessly over 24 tracks of overlapping audio because of clip connections…assuming you’re insering the gap between connected groups. Otherwise how will it know where to spilt the connected group except down the middle? I’d also point out that I can connect the clips in more ancient NLEs like PPro with the group function so deselecting the clips that are not to move is not matter of multiple actions, only one.
Nonetheless I rarely connect clips by groups as the relationship with effects and music is usually subject to change up to and including the final sound edit.
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So, what did I do? Misuse the word “wicked” or something? That’s what I get for aping TV/movie dialog.
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