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  • What to use when we stop using Final Cut

    Posted by Will Eccleston on April 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    I learned on AVID Media Composer 6.5.3 in 1997. I am the kind of person who constantly hones his workflow, and my AVID workflow was razor-sharp. To that end, when I was forced to start using Final Cut, in Final Cut Pro version 2 (before “Studio” existed), I hated it. Eventually though, I stopped trying to run it like an AVID, honed a very different workflow, and became a Final Cut Studio devotee. I have used it exclusively for years now. After tomorrow’s announcement, however, I suspect my biggest question will be:

    Learn Premiere or go back to AVID?

    Much of this is speculation is based on this video:
    https://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/10/next-final-cut-pro-at-nab-next-week-due-spring-2011-some-more-hints/

    Apple has clearly been moving away from the professional community for years, (or at least coming up with its own distorted definition for “professional”. This will probably be the last straw (for me, at least).

    I’m going to give Premiere a spin, since almost everything I do ends up in After Effects at some point. Might even buy a PC before long…

    Somewhat sad and annoyed.

    – Will

    Will Eccleston
    Kinetiscape Films

    Dennis Radeke replied 15 years ago 27 Members · 51 Replies
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  • David Roth weiss

    April 11, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    The rumors are indeed a bit scary Will, but you’ve come this far, try to hang in for one more day before freaking out.

    And, who knows, if the FCP paradigm really is completely changed in the new version as has been rumored, maybe Apple really does know what we need better than we do???

    Personally, though I’m a bit scared by change just like everyone else, I’ll wait and look and think about it all before I freak.

    You’ll have plenty of time to decide upon your next course of action. Apple will continue to support FCS3 for some time to come. Then, once the dust settles, remember you have the following option available: “when in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.”

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor/Colorist
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles
    https://www.drwfilms.com

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.

  • John Kaley

    April 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm
  • Bret Williams

    April 11, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    I thought that video was mostly taken over by a few that were frightened by change. I love how the 3D guy pointed out that 10-15 years ago they were basically the guys that accepted change and didn’t understand the established people fighting it.

    When I was 23, just out of college, and thrown into the world of NLE editing on a VideoCube I was eager and accepting. I had no real reference point. I’d go to videocube user group meetings and there were tons of people complaining about how it didn’t do this and it didn’t work well with their workflow, etc. But I was completely engrossed in the whole new paradigm of non-linear editing. Nobody had mentioned this in college. We got a video toaster the year I graduated and that was the cutting edge. They didn’t even mention Avid or have any classes on Avid, yet apparently Avid was making decent offline solutions at the time. Maybe it’s because the professors really had no clue what was going on.

    Even in the earlier years of NLE becoming the standard in Post Production, I worked with producers that just thought they were throwing money away as we digitized everything. They thought the point of non-linear was supposed to be faster editing and this digitizing wasn’t getting them there. The point was better editing. Easier editing. Mostly, more flexible editing. Just like a wordprocessor to a typewriter. The ability to copy and paste or do a save as made all the difference in the world to me immediately, but they didn’t see it.

    I guess we’ll see tomorrow if it’s a paradigm shift, a gamble, or just a hyped update.

  • Mark Suszko

    April 11, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPiJOubR-4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoPiJOubR-4

  • Will Eccleston

    April 11, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Believe me David, I hope I’m wrong. Maybe there’s a “non-mass-market” mode. But seriously? Touchscreen? Mechanical buttons may not be “hip”, but they are superior in so many ways. I don’t think that matters anymore.

    Will Eccleston
    Kinetiscape Films

  • Paul Jay

    April 11, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Just wait 1 day

  • Rob Grauert

    April 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Look at it this way:

    If Apple completely rewrites FCP so that it’s targeted toward consumers, if what you have works for you now, then it will continue working for at a least a little while long, maybe a lot longer.

    You don’t have to make a switch just because Apple has something new. I’m still on FCS2 at home and at work. It works just fine.

    Rob Grauert, Jr.
    http://www.robgrauert.com
    command-r.tumblr.com

  • Nicholas Zimmerman

    April 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I really doubt Apple’s going to 100% ditch the Pro consumers, and honestly I doubt they are even moving in a more consumer friendly direction. They’ve got iMovie for that, I can envision this as a total rewrite with 64-bit multicore support and a brand new UI (that we’ll hate for a while, but then love). I also love the idea of interfacing my iPad even deeper with FCP. At the moment I run AirDisplay and keep my Audio Mixer and Video Scope on the iPad, and have my frame viewer on monitor 2, and monitor 1 looks pretty close to standard.

    Shoot sh*t, Edit sh*t

  • Jean-christophe Boulay

    April 11, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    In audio, the same kind of cry came up when Apple released its own version of Logic. “This is a toy!” we clamored. “This is user-friendly!” we bellowed. “I don’t have to program my own mixer from scratch! This is heresy!” we cried. You know what? All we were being was whiny little b!tches. The software was prettier, easier and more accessible, but more important than all that, it was better. Yes, my uncle could now have a hope of understanding what was going on, but we pros now could accomplish our work faster and easier than before. No one complains about it anymore.

    Moral of this tale: wait until it’s in front of you before you pan it. Eating our own words never tastes so good.

    JC Boulay
    Technical Director
    Audio Z
    Montreal, Canada
    http://www.audioz.com

  • Steve Connor

    April 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    I have PPro CS5 on my system and have been trialling it for the last couple of months, I’m hoping that Apple gives me some good reasons not to switch to it!

    Steve Connor
    Adrenalin Television

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