what takes longer – Grading in FCP or Color

[Hector Berrebi]

it sounds long… do you have anything other than 3-way on your shots?

does your timeline matches your media’s settings?

is it a gray render line without the 3 way filter?

it should be a faster render

the job you described seems quite technical and repetitive, i believe you will be better off staying in fcp.

color could probably do it, maybe even better, but you won’t save time,
and you would be using a Ferrari to drive 2 miles to work… 🙂

color is much more than a technical fix-it tool… its a story telling enhancer designed to allow great freedom in complex and simple color manipulation. it has a language and a workflow of its own, which has a learning curve… etc’ etc’ you got my point..

peace

Hector Berrebi
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[Max Huggett]

Hi Hector

Yes…it is repetitive and should be quite easy to grade, but my cameras did not match each other, and at times, the exposure goes a little crazy, so i am trying to match shot to shot before i attempt a saturation on a color.

I am working in a ProRes project with settings of 1440×1080, with lower thirds also frequently popping up.

Before i apply effects, my timeline is green. With the lower thirds over it, it is periodically red. A simple 3 way cc does not affect the green line, however it is the other cc effects that slow it down.

I am also finding that over the 10 frames, that my lower thirds fade out, somehow, it also affects the cc on the vision layer below it. So there is a color shift for that 10 frames. When i delete the dissolve and reapply, re-render, it fixes it, but i don’t really want to do be doing that for the 7 hour project.

I might just turn off the lower thirds and work with the master layer and see how that goes.

Cheers
m.

[Hector Berrebi]

what was it shot on?

what other filters are you using?

Hector Berrebi
Schibber Group
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[Max Huggett]

upon further inspection, i can only apply 1 3way cc to the layer before, the red render bar comes up on the second application of it.

[Max Huggett]

it was shot on HDV and ingested at proRes 1440 x 1080. No other filters are applied.

The effect is being applied to a multicam layer if that helps? And all other layers above, have been turned off.
m.

[Walter Biscardi]

[Max Huggett] ”
Is it quicker to do these color adjustments/grade in color?
“

Do you know how to use Color? That’s the key right there. If you don’t know the app yet, then it will take longer.

Myself, I would take the project into Color, but then I know the app.

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[Max Huggett]

Hi Walter.

i know how to grade with After Effects really well. and i was just playing around with color and it did seem easy to use, especially using the the applied Grade settings which i made and copied to each of the 3 subsequent shots.

But even in FCP, i am doing the same thing….. appyling a few filters then copying and pasting to each shot.

I guess i was hoping for it to be realtime and no rendering as i am going to run low on disk space.

Thanks
M.

[Walter Biscardi]

[Max Huggett] “I guess i was hoping for it to be realtime and no rendering as i am going to run low on disk space. “

None of the color filtering is realtime whether it’s FCP or Color.

Disc management is one of the things that most people have issues with because they always figure enough space to capture media, but nobody thinks about the render space. This is why we run 40TB of media storage in my shop though we only have maybe 10TB full at any given time. We never have to think about “do we have enough space to do this job?”

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[Hector Berrebi]

“upon further inspection, i can only apply 1 3way cc to the layer before, the red render bar comes up on the second application of it.”

then i believe there is something wrong with your settings…
make sure the timeline is set exactly like your source clips

or maybe something moved and you didn’t notice?

any motion tab changes?

did you grade after collapsing your multiclip?

Hector Berrebi
Schibber Group
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[David Roth weiss]

[Max Huggett] “I guess i was hoping for it to be realtime and no rendering as i am going to run low on disk space. “

Disk space is important, but more important, exactly what type of media drives or RAID are you running? The greater the throughput from a hard drive sub-system, the more realtime performance you will get, and if you skimp in that one area, the editing process simply becomes slower than it would if you didn’t skimp. The laws of nature do apply…

And, as Walter mentioned, grading in Color will not save time if you don’t know the app. If you do know Color it can be faster because you have much greater control than with the 3-Way CC. However, it’s not always speedier, because whenever you gain additional control, your desire to exercise that control can increase exponentially.

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