WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?! – 5 Separte Bins Become Same

[Jon Barrie]

I’ve tried to replicate your problem but it seems to work fine. What are the setup specs you have used (PAL/NTSC preset info).
I have a feeling the project may have become corrupt and not part of a bug. Try these couple of things.
1. Fix your project. Do a Save As then try to open that one.
2. Start a new project with the same preset settings and import the original project. Then import the Save As version and see if either import properly.
3. Worst case… start a new project bring everything in again and rename the bins something different. Add a 0 in there? I’ve not been able to replicate the issue and I tried to make it the same as your description.
– Jon

[Litzwire]

Thanks for trying this out and replying. Before I try these things – and forgive my newbie-ness, as I am coming from Avid and VelocityQ – is there a way to save bins or import them into another project? There seems to be no record of them separate from the project on my harddrive (If this is true, then I will have to suggest to Adobe that they add that to a future version – one needs to be able to retrieve bins from another project). I am primarily worried that if these bins keep disappearing, one of the missing bins will contain a sequence that I need, and I will not be able to recall it, even from a new project.

[Jon Barrie]

I guess with the bins import yeah that would be cool to do that bin by bin… would get tedious tho.
In Premiere Pro you can import a whole other project. It will come in it’s own bin titled the name of the project imported. Move the bins/clips you want from that and cut/paste or drag into your current project space/bins then delete the imported project bin (minus the stuff you moved).
– Jon
PS: What settings are you using for the project that’s having issues? Never heard of this problem before in any versions of PPro.

[Baz Leffler]

Here is another test you could do –

After you have created your bins and imported all the media into each start a new sequence and drag a clip from each bin into the sequence.

Then restart the program and open that project. If the problem has occurred again go to the sequence you created and see if all the clips are there. If they are select one of them and right click “reveal in project”. It should show which bin the clip is in. If the sequence has opened with clips missing then you have a big problem and should probably consider suicide!
Baz

[Litzwire]

Believe me, between having to go HD for broadcast work and the 2 bulging, degenerated discs in my back, I have indeed considered suicide. I’ll try these other things and keep that last suggestion handy at all times. BUT since you guys are nice enough to help on this, I think I may know the operation that casued this – for me at least. First know that I am running a Matrox Axio and my project is 1080i HD. It’s a dual quad core machine with 4GB RAM and a projects/storage drive of 6TB (Yes, it’s one 6TB drive – freaky, huh?). I suppose two things that might be causing some weirdness in the system could be either the Matrox ultilities or the utility that allows WinXP to see the 6TB RAID-5 drive. Now, for the operation that might have caused this. Try doing this: 1) Make a 1080i project, create 5 bins, import different assets into each of them, then, without closing Premier, start a new NTSC project. What happened to me at this point was that the new project had 5 untitled bins of the exact same properties already set into the project panel. Then open the previous project again. For me, that’s when instead of having the 5 different bins as were saved before, I got 5 of the same, and there is no folder or project that can be opened that will get you back to the way it was before, which is complete BS. There has to be a fail-safe for something like that programmed into Premier, not to mention the ability to simply open ONE bin from another project, like Avid, VelocityQ/HD, and probably FCP (haven’t used that one).

[Jon Barrie]

Sorry mate, I just followed your process and have not had an issue. It might have something to do with the Axio, but my only suggestion is to reinstall PPro. It sounds like its become corrupted or something. But my PProCS3 is software only and it worked fine as 1080i30fps HDV. It doesn’t seem to be an Premiere Pro based issue.
– Jon
PS: When I opened the project again it was inside the last folder I had selected. I moved up a folder and was back where I left with all the bins and assets in them. ???

[Gene Colburn — email address bounces notices]

[Litzwire] “(Yes, it’s one 6TB drive – freaky, huh?).”

Yes considering there is an inherent 2TB volume limit on winXP32. I wouldn’t trust any utility that gets around it. You might try to back up your existing stuff, and partition that drive. See if that fixes things. If your bins are corrupt, I would not be surprised if other things are as well. Did this system come pre-configured from a Matrox dealer this way? You might also post on Matrox forum.

[Litzwire]

I appreciate the suggestions. The machine did come from the dealer this way, and though I respect your ideas, I also trust both the dealer and ProAvio, the maker of the storage solution. So I will probably try to reinstall and see if some things are cleared up, but I like the storage situation the way it is. Plus, given some of the major lackings I’m finding with the capabilities of Premier, I trust its developers the least of any in this equation.

[Ross Bradshaw]

Hows it going Litzwire?

I have also had this problem and my new machine. I work with PAL and on the Matrox RT. 2. The problem is Prem is opening the work area you have made as default. Theres no need to panic or start uninstalling your software. When you re-open the project simply go to the top of the project bin and click the folder up sign in the top left. Prem is getting confused but it is not getting rid of your other bins. All 5 bins might be on the same name but the other bins are there aswel. When your in the main project bin you and can double click into a certain folder, when you do this all your other folders disappear becasue your in the folder you double clicked.

Sorry for the waffle but the problem is quite simple click the folder up sign and you’ll see everything is still there.

The spelling might be a bit off but hopfully you understand it
Take ie easy man

If it’s for free, it’s for me

[Litzwire]

Yes indeed. I actually discovered this last night, and it goes along with a few of the other issues I had as I become familiar with Premier. Many of the issues are disappearing one by one as I excercise patience and find that features I thought were missing are indeed there, or that problems I thought were software-based were just lack of observation. I take full responsibility for my ignorance ;). Thanks again for the help!