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what is editing speed ?
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[Joe Marler] “Except for these cases, FCPX seems to import extremely quickly. It generally doesn’t strike me as slow to import when using “leave files in place” on a locally-attached RAID array.”
But compared to doing the exact same thing in FCP 7, it was slow in this particular case. 7 was virtually instant – X has to think about waveforms and other nonsense, that takes up time I’d rather be using editing. Premiere Pro is not necessarily any better.
Notably in this case, we ended up cutting the H.264 material directly (no transcoding) in FCP 7 – which theoretically should have been a disaster. But it wasn’t. But you have to know what you’re doing.
Simon Ubsdell
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Stuff in Premiere like storyboarding in a bin and editing that to a timeline is a nice feature. As is editing to the timeline in the order of mouse selection. I seem to remember being able to cmd+click a variety of clips in a bin and have them automate to timeline in the order selected. That’s just awesome.
I would like to have another view that allows arranging in a completely un sorted view where you can just storyboard thumbnails.
And for all X’s browser organization benefits, it’s nearly all lost because you can only have one browser window open at a time! I want to have different keyword collections open at the same time. Some should be thumbnail views, other list view. And list view is nearly useless because it doesn’t have thumbnails. Used to be we logged clips and the clip name had a decent description. But now it’s 745_054 and you have to actually load it and scrub it to see it. Thumbs are better, but then you lose all the list data. Multiple browsers is what I’m looking for here. For 4 years I’ve thought they must be doing this soon but nope. And really, I’m screwing up my neck with the browser on the left screen and the viewer(s) on the right above the timeline. Since I can’t scrub under the event viewer window, I have to juggle skimming on the left screen while viewing on the right. Kinda ridiculous. Resolve has addressed many many these issues, but with no motion integration or even basic built in effects, it’s still kind of a cuts and dissolve editor.
/ramble
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[Bill Davis] “I tend to use the terms “keywording” and “tagging” interchangeably. “
OK, so then in my example, there’s a fundamental difference that’s important. Let’s say I have scene xyz with pieces making up 12 takes. In theory with X, that could be set aside in a separate event, or it could be part of a larger event and then be segregated out as a keyword collection for that scene. In Avid, for instance, it might be a separate bin containing just that scene.
Now, from those 12 options, I pick 4 takes as selects from which to assemble the scene. In Avid, if I view the bin in “frame view” and move my 4 selected takes to the top area of the bin and everything else lower, I now see both my selections, as well as other options without any special sorting. Their visual position cues me to the “rating” I’ve mentally assigned and the order in which to use them.
Of course, I have to manually drag clips around to get this view. But it stays that way until I decide to change it, without the software changing it for me inadvertently.
In X, I create a keyword collection for scene xyz selects. When I do that I now see only the 4 selects in the collection, not the selects PLUS the alternates in the same single keyword collection. So there is a big difference in the two operations.
Every editor works differently, of course, but to some, these visual cues are very important.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Jeremy Garchow] “This way of working is still available in X, minus the pancakes, and minus the tabs, but it still works. “
I’ll have the Chicken salad sandwich. Wait – Hold the salad. Actually – hold the bread too.
That is no chicken salad sandwich my friend.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “That is no chicken salad sandwich my friend.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I’ll have the Chicken salad sandwich. Wait – Hold the salad. Actually – hold the bread too.
That is no chicken salad sandwich my friend.
“It is true you can’t stack one timeline atop another. But you can still browse between Projects with the Project Browser, they just aren’t tabbed, they are arrowed.
And string outs are entirely possible in X. Did you pancake timelines in FCP7? I bet you didn’t. Have a waffle.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It is true you can’t stack one timeline atop another. But you can still browse between Projects with the Project Browser, they just aren’t tabbed, they are arrowed.”
It would be great to be able to edit from projects in the browser window.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “they just aren’t tabbed, they are arrowed”
But they are quite flaky still, in my experience. Sadly. You don’t always get what you ordered.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Did you pancake timelines in FCP7? I bet you didn’t.”
I did and do. It’s great.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I do know FCP X pretty well actually. I use it all the time and I’m fairly certain that I was up to speed on FCP X before you had even opened it up for the first time, if I recall correctly.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It is true you can’t stack one timeline atop another. But you can still browse between Projects with the Project Browser, they just aren’t tabbed, they are arrowed.”
Except that X randomly decides to drop timelines from the project browser/history or occasionally runs out of memory or something (?) and is unable to maintain more than a few in that queue.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Did you pancake timelines in FCP7?”
In FCP7 you can edit from one sequence as a source into another using edit “with sequence content”. This won’t create nests. You can also break off the sequence tab into its own window and work between two timeline windows.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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