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what is editing speed ?
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Phil, a quick, quirky COW sidebar: if you select the text from the original post you want to quote, then either press the Q key or tap the “Quote” text below the post, it’ll dump the quote into the reply box with attribution and formatting. No need to copy, paste and indent.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Well, I just watched some of those tutorials on auditioning clips (including Larry Jordan’s). In my opinion, it’s way too much screwing around just to choose a shot! And when it comes to audio, cutting the narration for an entire news script as one take and then subtracting bad takes and dead air is way faster than navel gazing at two similar takes when you have a package to get done in 20 minutes!
Again, marking takes on the fly during a single record has ALWAYS been both my fastest and preferred workflow. I will manage cleaning up tracks using waveforms in X, but – at least as far as I’ve seen auditions used – it is way too “sophisticated” for editing daily news.
Let me assure you all that if I took the time to set up an audition for several clips, then called my reporter or news director over to ask them which one they liked on a news deadline, I would never work in news again! Same goes for audio!
Just saying’.
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OK, thanks Walter. I’ll try that.
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[Phil Lowe] “Let me assure you all that if I took the time to set up an audition for several clips, then called my reporter or news director over to ask them which one they liked on a news deadline, I would never work in news again! Same goes for audio! “
Clearly Phil is happy with his choice of NLE, is there a reason we are trying to convince him about FCPX?
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[Steve Connor] “Clearly Phil is happy with his choice of NLE, is there a reason we are trying to convince him about FCPX?”
Not at all. And we shouldn’t. If Avid fills your business need, more power to it.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Steve Connor] “Clearly Phil is happy with his choice of NLE, is there a reason we are trying to convince him about FCPX?”
Yes, I am happy with Avid. No, I’m not happy that I have to learn this app. I have already stated the reasons why. I’m sure most people looking at the audition feature are giddy with it’s promise of speeding up client decisions at an ad agency or post house.
I. Do. News. Anything that isn’t focused on getting sound and shots laid down on a timeline as fast as possible for air is a waste of time.
Producer: “Am I going to get that piece in 30 seconds?”
Editor: “Laying down last shot!”
Producer: “20 seconds!”
Editor: “Sending!”Been. There. Often.
Show me how FCPX beats scenarios like this day in and day out, and you’ll have my attention. I’ll only add that whether I cut on 3/4″, BetaSP, BetaSX, or Avid, that conversation I just outlined happened regardless of format or software. It is the nature of news.
Want to impress me? Show me how you would take a 90-second news package, with tracks, bites, nat sound breaks, and b-roll from script to air in 30 minutes or less, because that’s the margin we often have in news. I’ve done it often in Avid.
All I’ve seen of X here are features that indie documentarians, filmmakers, and corporate video gurus say enhance their productivity. Show me something that works in my world as well as Avid has all these years, and I’ll be impressed. Haven’t seen it so far.
Thanks.
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[Phil Lowe] “As I record voice-overs (VOs) on the fly right to the timeline, I tap the F3 key at the beginning and end of each take, double or triple-tapping on restarts. “
What do you do if they were recorded in the field? In another studio?
[Phil Lowe] “Avid also provides a filmstrip view. I’ve never used it because, again, it affects performance. As someone else noted, a large project in FCPX will also suffer from performance issues having to refresh all those thumbnails”
That got fixed in one of the updates and even before, It’s never slowed so much that I couldn’t use the thumbnails or waveforms and I don’t have a new MP by any stretch. I use both of those on a huge project.
[Phil Lowe] “Different strokes. ;)”
Indeed, I don’t need to see that information about format or frame rate in the TL the whole time. I already know what I shot it at. I want to see the clip instead.
It’s visually faster and the thread was about speed.
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[Tony West] “I want to see the clip instead. It’s visually faster and the thread was about speed.”
And yet, for me, I feel I’m faster without it.
[Tony West] What do you do if they were recorded in the field? In another studio?
Waveform with audio scrub. Slower, but useable.
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[Steve Connor] “Clearly Phil is happy with his choice of NLE, is there a reason we are trying to convince him about FCPX?
“He said his employer will expect him to use X, in the future and that he was learning it for that reason.
I think people were trying to help him learn it so he could use it faster when he has to use it for work.
for me, sometimes when folks write something that I have never seen anybody else write before I ask questions to see if they know something I don’t know that I could learn from. Sometimes there is something to learn. sometimes there isn’t.
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[Phil Lowe] “Avid also provides a filmstrip view. I’ve never used it because, again, it affects performance. As someone else noted, a large project in FCPX will also suffer from performance issues having to refresh all those thumbnails and waveforms in real-time”
I just imported a 2.2 terabyte project to FCP X, which comprised 5,667 clips, 117 hours of mixed 1080p and 4k material. After import the Event Browser filmstrip view was a little sluggish until I scrolled to the bottom; after that it was fast.
I then connected my second iMac in Target Display Mode and configured FCPX to fill the entire second screen with thumbnails. It again got a little sluggish until I scrolled to the bottom, then it was fast as I scrolled up and down marking ranges.
In general I don’t see any major performance problem from refreshing thumbnails. This is on a 2015 iMac and an 8TB Thunderbolt RAID.
OTOH if you want to put all your unedited material on a timeline, FCP X can do that also. In this test on a Mac Pro it handled 1,600 lanes (ie tracks) and a timeline length of 13,000 hours: https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/1372-pushing-apple-s-new-mac-pro-and-final-cut-pro-x-to-their-limits
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