what is editing speed ?

[Bill Davis]

[Andrew Kimery] ” I’ve only had the pleasure of using ScriptSync in Avid on one project and it was amazing. I’ve been kicking the tires on SoundBite from Boris and it’s pretty good at finding the word(s) I’m searching for.”

You perhaps should seek out what Patrick Southern (AE on OJ Speaks) has to say about using Lumberjack and synchronized transcripts inside of X during his LACPUG and other interviews lately.

It might surprise you

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[Phil Lowe]

I thought this was a discussion about speed, not aesthetics. To get back on point, for a small project like the one I did, I didn’t notice any speed advantage of using X over Avid. I’m reasonably sure the same would be true for someone using Premiere vs. X. Or Vegas vs. X. Basic editing is basic editing no matter what software one uses.

Would X be faster on long form projects? I suppose that depends on whom you ask and what kind of project they’re doing. The Hobbit (all three) was edited on that “ugly” Media Composer, as have been any number of movies. I seriously doubt those who used Avid to cut films regret their decisions to do so, even in light of FCPX’s “world-beating” performance. O.o

[Bill Davis]

Oh lurk they do (when they have time.)

I’ve had the startling experience of introducing myself to folks at NAB and other venues – only to be confounded with this type of exchange.

Me: Hi, I’m Bill Davis (extending hand while meeting an industry professional for the first time with whom I have NO personal relationship whatsoever: Only to hear in return: “Yes, I know, nice to finally meet you in person”

It seriously freaked me out the first few times it happened.

My long time friend Phil Hodgetts once described me teasingly as “internet famous” – which ALSO freaked me out a good bit. Clearly that is ONLY in FCP X circles – since theres no reason for anyone who have a clue who I am otherwise – but this stuff DOES get read. And MUCH more widely than you might expect.

Thank the heavens I had absolutely no clue of about the reach of these boards when I started blathering on them.

I’ve done it exclusively because I enjoy the interaction – particularly after weeks days and hours of sitting alone in a dark edit suite with nobody to chat with but my wife, son and dog. (excellent company tho they are!)

But for good or ill, people all over the planet DO read what we write here. The good, the bad, AND the ugly.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Phil Lowe] “I’m reasonably sure the same would be true for someone using Premiere vs. X. Or Vegas vs. X. Basic editing is basic editing no matter what software one uses.”

True

[Phil Lowe] “Would X be faster on long form projects? I suppose that depends on whom you ask and what kind of project they’re doing.”

Also true.

[Phil Lowe] ” even in light of FCPX’s “world-beating” performance. O.o”

No need for air quotes, as that claim is also true. At least for folks who see that from X in their work. Eye of the beholder and all that, right? For those who don’t, there are plenty of other “modern” NLE’s from which to choose. 😉

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[Bill Davis]

[Phil Lowe] “The biggest thing for me – in looking at both – is how much more information the Avid timeline presents me without having to hover or click on anything.”

Phil, can you describe some of the info you feel you can “see” in the AVID timeline that’s hidden in the X timeline?

Is it Project stuff? Asset stuff? Arrangement stuff? What’s missing?

As an editor with ZERO AVID experience, I’m just curious.

Thanks.

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[Neil Goodman]

[Bill Davis] “As an editor with ZERO AVID experience, I’m just curious.”

As an Editor with zero avid experience, as well PPro from what I’ve picked up –

Is it possible your not qualified to make the assumptions FCPX is way faster than all the rest since you havent used the rest ?

Is it possible your not aware that other NLE’;s can do the very same things that FCPX can do?

How do you know Avid isnt the workflow enhancer youve always been looking for if youve never tried it.

You always slag people for writing off X because “they dont know it well enough”.. “there holding it wrong”

I was always under the impression you were an avid editor at some point which is how you formed your conclusion it wasn’t for you.

Honest question.

[Neil Goodman]

[Oliver Peters] “[Neil Goodman] “I want to hear from the actual editor(s) who cut Focus, the people actually working on a timeline and being creative. – no diss on AE’ing, its an essential part of the process.”

https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/focus/

– Oliver”

Thanks for the link!

[Michael Gissing]

[Tim Wilson]”[Bill Davis] “But isn’t the central focus HERE on how X works as an EDITORIAL engine?”
This has been my long way of saying, no, not to me.

+1 . I know Bill has been trying hard to narrow the focus of this debate forum to just that but I am glad others see that we have so much more to discuss. For us in the post finish end of the pipeline, how X works as an editorial engine is nice to know but kind of irrelevant. I work with many editors so I want to know why people think that rather than keystroke or database specifics.

But for me and many others how it slots into various workflows is equally worth debating. Like Tim, I find articles about feature film workflow is not that applicable but within that might be clues or new ideas. Sometimes I find myself chuckling at how the lean and mean doco industry often finds those efficiencies first.

Of least interest to me are threads about sole operators because they don’t have to deal with the world of compatibility of systems, nomenclature and reliable xml or AAF transfers between facilities. But I don’t for a minute think it is my job to railroad the forums focus to what I think important either.

So although Herb’s original thread was to have a discussion about speed, it has been disappointing to think that this can only be about shortcuts and databases in one specific program.

[Bill Davis]

[Neil Goodman] “As an Editor with zero avid experience, as well PPro from what I’ve picked up –

Is it possible your not qualified to make the assumptions FCPX is way faster than all the rest since you havent used the rest ?

Is it possible your not aware that other NLE’;s can do the very same things that FCPX can do?

I was always under the impression you were an avid editor at some point which is how you formed your conclusion it wasn’t for you.

Honest question.”

Nope, you’ve invented an idea about me that I’ve never expressed. : )

Check carefully and you’ll see I’ve NEVER claimed that X is faster than any other NLE. I’ve been scrupulously clear from day one. I’ve never edited on AVID or Premiere Pro (by choice.) I spent 10 plus years editing on FCP Legacy before adopting X. And I’ve clearly described that many times right here.

I’ve claimed (and still do strongly) that *I* AM nearly always WAY faster getting the same tasks done in X that used to take me a lot longer in the decade I was cutting almost daily on FCP Legacy. Thats all.

For all I know I’d be FINE cutting in AVID or PPro – maybe even FAST at it? we’ll never know. And if you check, you’ll see that I’ve never claimed a comparison to those programs directly. .

I just happened to learn and “click” with X. It was very exciting and very empowering from day 1 for me. So there was no reason for me to look any farther.

If you want an inter-NLE comparison you’ll have to look elsewhere.

I’ve posted EXTENSIVELY when somebody who doesn’t use X talks about how they think X works. That’s all.

If somebody were to write here that they are 10, 15 or even 20% faster in Premiere Pro CC than they were in Premier Pro NON-CC – I’d listen to them. That’s useful comparison for that audience. But nobody seems to be saying that very much. Which is NOT to say it’s not true. It’s just that the claim of increased editing speed don’t seem to come up in discussions of the other software. All I’ve ever claimed is that I’m significantly (very significantly!) faster in getting my work done in FCP X than I was in FCP Legacy. That’s all.

(I do write critically about NLE “business models” occasionally, because I’ve run a production business for 20 years plus – but I NEVER write about how other NLEs function. I leave that to those who know them like I know X.)

Hope that helps.

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[Bill Davis]

[Michael Gissing] “So although Herb’s original thread was to have a discussion about speed, it has been disappointing to think that this can only be about shortcuts and databases in one specific program.”

So Michael, what are the metrics that YOU think should lead the discussion?

We all know that today, MOST editing is NOT feature film or network documentary editing. I suspect it’s far more likely to be Business to Business or Business to Consumer communications editing. Think of all the info you and I see every day via the web that was assembled to promote something and you can see that easily.

So what’s your case to promote other focus cases here in the forum? And how much of the audience here will benefit from reading about them? Just curious about your orientation.

Honestly, just one observation, there’s a HUGE order of magnitude more traffic on the “Lets Play” game forums about visual editing than there is here on the Cow. I don’t do that. But LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of young folks do. (Makes me wonder if one of THEM is gonna get the call in a few years to cut the big new Tom Cruz movie – after all, Edge of Tomorrow made a lot of money and it was just a big screen version of Lets Play with a bigger budget.

Interested in your perspective.

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