Well – it’s “early” 2012

[Jari Innanen]

The Advanced Editing book by Michael Wohl should be out by March 30 (estimated), so there might be some clue…

https://www.creativeedge.com/9780132885218

Apple Certified Associate, FCP X

[Andrew Richards]

It will still be early 21012 for months. NAB is early in the year (first third of the year). I’ve got my monopoly money on late March to permit any cooperative third parties like AJA or Blackmagic show their wares with it at NAB.

Best,
Andy

[Tony West]

Steve, do you like to use Motion or AE?

It seems like people who like Motion are more willing to work with X than people who like AE.

I like Motion myself so that’s why I was willing to at least give X a try.

I can see why someone who is not a Motion fan would not feel tied to X and more likely to move to Prp.

I was wondering if anyone else sees this pattern.

[Jim Giberti]

[tony west] “It seems like people who like Motion are more willing to work with X than people who like AE.
I was wondering if anyone else sees this pattern.”

It was definitely a factor in our decision Tony.

That said, I’m still a bit stunned by the awkward new “workflow” and lack of round tripping.
I can’t even imagine why they removed the ability to round trip from FCP.

[Matt Trubac]

I think its less that they removed it and more they haven’t added it in yet. Does seem like it would be a priority though. I think its more useful than the publish feature.

[Tony West]

I agree Jim. I don’t know what the thinking was there.

While I have you Jim, I also have a question for you. I have seen some of your post on the forum and you
seemed to really know your way around sound production.

Can’t say that’s been my strong suit.

Having said that, the audio effects tools that are in X seem pretty impressive to me. Many of those tools are unfamiliar to me.

What are your thoughts on that tool set?

[Jim Giberti]

[Matt Trubac] ”
I think its less that they removed it and more they haven’t added it in yet. Does seem like it would be a priority though. I think its more useful than the publish feature.”

Well it was there and now it’s gone so I think “removed” it is the accurate term.

Unlike X, Motion is a true upgrade. They didn’t change the editing paradigm or even the content, it’s the same program – but for some absurd reason they limit you to a one way experience regarding integration.

As you say, Publishing is no replacement for round tripping.
It’s fine if you want to start a project in Motion and then bring some design elements into X, but disabling the ability to get footage from fcp into motion, literally removed it’s best use.

I could even live with not re-opening the project directly from the X timeline – but not being able to export or import footage from X is just retarded and has none of the “this stuff makes more sense as I learn it” mojo of much of fcpx experience.

[Steve Connor]

[tony west] “Steve, do you like to use Motion or AE?
“

I am a Motion user but I’m learning AE at the moment.

Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
Adrenalin Television

[Matt Trubac]

My guess is that it is simply an issue of finalizing the FCPX xml and “upgrading” Motion 5 to understand it. If Motion 5 is a pure upgrade will it take a “send to motion” from FCP7?

[Jim Giberti]

[tony west] “What are your thoughts on that tool set?
“

I think the integration of the Logic FX and controls is what makes this genuinely capable as a complete finishing system, even in it’s immature incarnation.

IF you look at audio mixing differently using the metadata and trackless concept then it’s all you need to do what you would do separately in a dedicated post environment. If you’ve got a pair of accurate monitors and a reasonably controlled listening space, you can do it all right there.

Did you download the document that goes through all of the Logic features Tony?

That would be a great start to using them.
In the meantime ask away.