Video Killed the Radio Star

[Chris Kenny]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “no no that’s all wrong: firstcut only referred to the tagging and organisational aspects of the skimmer

That’s not what the article says:

So Randy starting writing an app: “First Cut”, a professional-level “feeder” app for Final Cut Pro. You would launch First Cut, import all your raw footage, then quickly skim through, keywording, organizing, marking as good or rejecting, and finally building a rough edit.

Then you would “Export to Final Cut Pro”, and import the rough cut XML into Final Cut Pro to fine-tune edits, color grade, add titles and effects, composite, key, mix sound and do your final mastering.

[Aindreas Gallagher] “These are decisions Randy took when crafting consumer software for a consumer market”

This whole line of argument makes no sense. There are some things that are good ideas for both consumer and professional video editing applications. As a consequence, iMovie and FCP X behaving the same way in some particular respect is not by itself sufficient justification to conclude FCP X is not intended to be a pro app. This is logically equivalent to saying cars must not be a serious transportation mechanism because they share the ‘wheel’ feature in common with tricycles.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Chris Kenny] “import all your raw footage, then quickly skim through, keywording, organizing, marking as good or rejecting, and finally building a rough edit.”

yeah chris, that’s the upper left of FCPX and iMovie, it doesn’t cover tracks, or the viewer – firstcut refers to event area more or less – the decisions randy took when crafting iMovie 08 – a single track of video in a trackless space, a single viewer, there were decisions made necessary because he was preparing a video application for the casual consumer, so therefore he had to remove complexity – he did – iMovie is far less complicated than FCP7 – with me so far?

Good. Because here comes the tricky bit – I want you to boot up FCPX if you have it to hand, then I want you to boot up iMovie if you have it installed,
then I want you to tab cycle between the applications – (maybe best to arrange iMovie as the kid in the video has) just keep tabbing between them. One is a free install consumer app for hobbyists, the other one is the intended replacement for a mainstay professional powerhouse editing application.

Now. The thing you should be noting is that they are unnervingly similar – the tonka toy software for consumers that comes free on every Mac, and the thing that’s supposed to replace FCP share near identical workflow, media management and overall GUI layout.

Is this a good thing?

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[Alan Okey]

(moved to new thread)

[Herb Sevush]

Joe –

I don’t see the revolution here. I don’t see the sea change. I see a slightly different NLE. This is not the same as going from film to tape, or from linear CMX style tape to NLE. This is like going from Avid to Sony Vegas. It might be a good design, it might suck, it’s probably in the middle. It’s just a pain in the ass to those of us who were happy with the system we had and were waiting for it to get spiffed up to 64 bit for speed. Since I have no reason to change editing styles, since FCPX lacks many of the features I need to do my work, I am disappointed that there won’t be a FCP 8.

The complaints about Apples handling of a business product, the lack of warning, the sudden removal of the Pro Ap upgrader are legitimate complaints. I am sure Apple execs are hearing this big time from some of the major studios and broadcasters that have just been shut out of an upgrade path.

While the FCPX introduction is not the end of this world, it’s also not the start of a brave new world. It is not clear that there is any paradigm shift going on in anyone’s mind but the creators of FCPX. And make no mistake, when it comes to professional business products, Apple has made tons of mistakes, their wreckage is all over the road.

The old line is that to make an omelet you have to break some eggs. So show me the omelet.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions

[Jonathan Dortch]

Bravo to this post, Joe. Words of wisdom in uncertain times. I still hope our storm of complaints can return some functionality to the our platform of choice, but there is no gain to be found in fighting progress.

JONATHAN DORTCH
BLACK WOLF CREATIVE

[David Roth weiss]

[Chris Kenny] “Every one of these exchanges seem to start off with you making a statement that’s phrased as if it’s factual, and end up with you just expressing opinions and not believing that anyone could disagree with them.
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Holy projection Batman!!! Now that’s a subject you do know about Chris. I’ve called you on it so many times I’m hoarse.

Down South where I come from they refer to a statement like that as “the pot calling the kettle black.” In psychology they refer to it as “projection.”

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[Stephen Knifton]

i think these past five days can be summed up pretty quickly … the defenders and fans of fcp-ex are free to buy it, use it, wait for apple to improve it, make money with it.

the rest of us will follow the only option(s) we have, and head to avid or adobe.

simple.

i’ve wasted enough time; see you in adobeville.

[John Spirou]

I am a PRO , but i dont mind to call someone young (as the childs on youtube who biught FCPX) PRO or anything…
He is the future, and if he can make BETTER videos than me , he is a PRO !

You said , that WE supported Apple many years now (with FCP etc) , the same thing those kids support Apple NOW.

We are the past, they are the future…. so simple.

If you dont like FCPX or you cant use it in every dayw projects , move to other programms.

I am using ALL of the NLE , Avic composer, Adobe Premiere CS5 and of course FCP.

In MY projects , i wiil use FCPX….

[Chris Kenny]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “yeah chris, that’s the upper left of FCPX and iMovie, it doesn’t cover tracks, or the viewer – firstcut refers to event area more or less – the decisions randy took when crafting iMovie 08 – a single track of video in a trackless space, a single viewer, there were decisions made necessary because he was preparing a video application for the casual consumer, so therefore he had to remove complexity – he did – iMovie is far less complicated than FCP7 – with me so far?”

No. The tool built rough edits. That implies a timeline.

[Aindreas Gallagher] ”
Good. Because here comes the tricky bit – I want you to boot up FCPX if you have it to hand, then I want you to boot up iMovie if you have it installed,
then I want you to tab cycle between the applications – (maybe best to arrange iMovie as the kid in the video has) just keep tabbing between them. One is a free install consumer app for hobbyists, the other one is the intended replacement for a mainstay professional powerhouse editing application. “

Your argument basically runs “FCP X has similarities with iMovie, iMovie is a consumer app, therefore FCP X is a consumer app”. But this is logically invalid on its face.

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[Chris Kenny]

[David Roth Weiss] “Holy projection Batman!!! Now that’s a subject you do know about Chris. I’ve called you on it so many times I’m hoarse. “

No, you’ve merely tried to encourage unreasonable levels of doubt with respect to Apple’s statements to the media.

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