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Video Killed the Radio Star
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Joe – I am obviously of your generation and get all the references. I posted on this forum elsewhere a comment about “how to turn off audio scrub” by noting that when we used Moviolas we simply pivoted the audio head up, off of the track.
I went on to talk about exactly your point regarding adjusting to the new paradigm every few years, as we went to flatbeds and tape editing and eventually expensive NLEs, then cheap NLEs… and now the cheapest “Pro” NLE of all.
My gripe is simple: when we had to adjust to sea changes in the past, we had years to do it. The first flatbeds were for the lead editor only, with all of the assistants assembling cutting reels on sync blocks and upright Moviolas. So we had time to adjust.
But by pulling FCS3 and its support with no notice, Apple will cause many of us to take a serious time & money hit. We must keep working as always, PLUS strategize how to painstakingly convert all of our still-current projects to XML and then recreate them in Premiere or Avid. In this economy, in my small Mom & Pop shop, it is not possible to just stop working and spend the rest of the summer converting my project archive, against the possibility that FCP7 may start crashing under Lion.
I love the ideas behind FCPX, and will definitely adopt it as THE NLE to use in my high school film/video class. And I will start doing new projects on it as well.
But I hate that Apple, like many manufacturers of a perfectly good product, simply pulled FCS3 in one day. I have spent a decade of time and money on Apple software and hardware — and remember it is we graphic, music and video pros that kept that company alive and gave it the “pro” cache while Gil Amelio was trying to run the entire enterprise aground.
So I think a mega-billion corp could afford a little professional courtesy in supporting the Apple faithful through this sea change.
Doug D
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I would argue that the dedicated viewer, the ability to call up material in conjunction with output, not replacing it is a key part of the mental practise of editing”
You appear to be describing something very specific to the way you edit, and assuming everyone works the same way so FCP X must be terrible for everyone. But this is not how everyone uses these tools. Many people tweak in/out points in the timeline, for instance, where FCP X can show you a two-up view when using the Precision Editor (check “Show detailed trimming feedback” in preferences).
[Aindreas Gallagher] “the knowledge that if you delete the slug things will slam closed on some level affects my perception of control as an editor”
There is no rational reason why this should be so. You appear to be very sensitive to changes in your editing environment, which is fine, but you keep turning “this works differently” into “this works badly”.
By the way, selecting and deleting a gap in FCP 7 also performs a ripple delete, which is even worse there because it’s actually inconsistent with FCP 7’s standard deletion behavior.
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ah no chris, I’ll move happily enough and chris, its not the only way I set in and out points, sure of course the joy of FCP was that you had a multiplicity of approaches but sure never mind.
I gave you that use case to show you that there is a fundamental validity to the viewer – it’s a deeply functional part of the craft of editing, to have that second space, that is my contention, but well, not according to the moron of the decade Randy Ubillos, who could not wait to share his vision of iMovie with the professional world, so instead of re-coding FCP he gave us iMovieX 64bit, and let me do a quick check – yep, iMovie has no viewer.
look at the video below chris: you’re cutting on a tricked out iMovie. The thought that went into devising dumbed down consumer editing has been handed to us, lovingly, by randy – we’re holding a turd sandwich.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISkPbLlb04&feature=player_embedded
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[Douglas K. Dempsey] “But by pulling FCS3 and its support with no notice, Apple will cause many of us to take a serious time & money hit. We must keep working as always, PLUS strategize how to painstakingly convert all of our still-current projects to XML and then recreate them in Premiere or Avid.”
This is kind of silly. FCS3 is not going to become literally unavailable any time soon. As I noted previously, some editors/facilities stuck with FCS2 for a year or two after FCS3 shipped. For some reason the forums weren’t full of people freaking out about how Apple was no longer selling FCS2, so if they needed to add any new seats they’d have the expense of migrating all their existing projects/seats to FCS3 for compatibility.
If FCS3 was working for you a week ago, it still is. If you need to add new seats, it might be a bit more hassle, but it’s still possible to find copies.
My approach is to keep using FCS3 (and playing with FCP X) until there’s a clearer picture of FCP X’s future prospects, and then make a decision whether to go with FCP X or Premiere in the long run. (I’m not a big Avid fan, for a variety of reasons.) I just don’t quite see what’s supposed to be so terrible about all of this.
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Every one of these exchanges seem to start off with you making a statement that’s phrased as if it’s factual, and end up with you just expressing opinions and not believing that anyone could disagree with them.
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Internet killed the video star
Just sayin….
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SSh – thats my secret debating technique, you’re letting the cat out of the bag.
OK – so lets try a thought experiment shall we – you are the proverbial visitor from mars, you land and the first thing you are asked to do is look at three applications, you agree –
the first application they show is FCPX (but nothing has names) then they show you FCP and iMovie, then they ask you to guess which of them is the previous version of the application.
mm?
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “the first application they show is FCPX (but nothing has names) then they show you FCP and iMovie, then they ask you to guess which of them is the previous version of the application.”
OK, but so what? We now know FCP X and iMovie ’08 and later were both derived from the editing paradigm Ubillos cooked up for ‘First Cut’. I’m not sure what this is supposed to say about how ‘professional’ anything is, especially since First Cut was written as a companion to a professional editing app. And even aside from that, a fair bit of the reason iMovie and FCP X look more similar is just that they were designed in the same century, and for the same operating system, whereas FCP 7’s UI is mostly unchanged from classic Mac OS.
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No,, I believe the Internet created the video star.
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no no that’s all wrong: firstcut only referred to the tagging and organisational aspects of the skimmer – and the author was surmising that from a brief conversation with randy, that some of that thinking Randy was pursuing in his head with firstcut went into the tagging and skimming behaviour of iMovie 08
the real meat of iMovie08 – which we now agree is effectively the previous version of FCPX – all the real decisions taken there by Randy are completely independent to the specifics of what the author referred to in the piece – in this I am referring to randy’s descision to – yes you know it – greatly simplify the interface – a single track of video sitting in a trackless space, a single viewer, a completely revised storage system, which has carried over as the event viewer (did you know the import dialogue box in FCPX and iMovie 08 are virtually identical?)
These are decisions Randy took when crafting consumer software for a consumer market – these are decisions carried forward directly into the application known as FCPX.
It’s consumer software – Apple no longer produce professional editing software, they lied to our faces, laughed and canned FCP.
that’s why we’re all really angry with them.
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