Vericam tape clone

[Gary Adcock]

The easiest way to clone DVCPROHD tapes is to copy deck to deck over FW.

Actually dubbing (not cloning) over HD-SDI will maintain the flags IF you set the record deck to EXT TC and also regenerate the TC UB which contain the frame rate flags.

On the record deck set the following menu items,

SET menu 505 to 0000 (TC & UB)
SET MENU 507 to either 0002 or 0003 ( SLTC or SVITC)

Now when you dub the tapes, the record deck will regenerate the TC and UB from the source deck and you will have the full frame rate flags etc on the new tape.

If you clone (IEEE1394) you get everything, Video/ Audio/ TC & UB all in the DVCPRO HD DIF stream over 1394.

gary adcock
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[Gary Adcock]

[Logan Kelsey] “I was thinking I would capture that tape using the “DVDPRO HD 720p60″ preset and use the DVDPRO HD frame rate converter to get it back to 24p. Not ideal as it’s a 30 minute tape. Any other ideas?”

Chances are there are no flags on the dupes so there is not a way to use the FRC inside of FCP.

this has now become a Cinema Tools project.

The simple process is to log and capture your clips and then go thru the process of running each clip thru CT to extract the redundant frames from the video stream. you will need to make sure that you check to see that you are on the 0 or 5 frame (the start of a 3:2 cadence.)

Secondary- you might be able to extract the 23.98 direct from the HDSDI using your Kona card and the v.2.2 version of the driver and a little testing. ( this is not supported but it can be done)

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Logan Kelsey]

[gary adcock] “The easiest way to clone DVCPROHD tapes is to copy deck to deck over FW.”

Thanks for the replay, Gary.

The problem is that the camera master could be missing, and the clone that I received seems like it was not dubbed correctly (I only get 59.94 vid rate on capture). I just think this tape was not flagged corectly when it was dubbed.

How can I use this tape if it turns out to be my only option? The client is asking me this question.

Can I capture that tape (bad clone) using the “DVDPRO HD 720p60” preset and use the DVDPRO HD frame rate converter to get it back to 24p?

Thanks tons.

Best,
Logan

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[Logan Kelsey]

[gary adcock] “The simple process is to log and capture your clips and then go thru the process of running each clip thru CT to extract the redundant frames from the video stream. you will need to make sure that you check to see that you are on the 0 or 5 frame (the start of a 3:2 cadence.”

Thanks for the reply.

The moral of the story is that the editor should ALWAYS receive the camera master tapes! And if you are having clones made, be sure the dubbing house understands how to properly clone DVDPRO HD tapes (with TC and UB – with the frame rate flags).

I’m going to try the CT path. This is a 30 minute interview with the camera rolling the whole time. Do I now capture using the “DVDPRO HD 720p60” easy set-up? Or does it even matter now that there are no flags on the tape?

Best,
Logan

Vertical Online
https://www.verticalonline.com

[Gary Adcock]

[Logan Kelsey] “‘m going to try the CT path. This is a 30 minute interview with the camera rolling the whole time. Do I now capture using the “DVDPRO HD 720p60″ easy set-up? Or does it even matter now that there are no flags on the tape?”

question

you do know that 720p always has 60 frames right?
I am also assuming that you understand how to extract the frames with CT?

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Logan Kelsey]

[gary adcock] “question

you do know that 720p always has 60 frames right?
I am also assuming that you understand how to extract the frames with CT? “

Yes, I know it always goes to tape at 60. I was curious if it made any difference what FCP DVDPRO HD preset I used to capture the botched tape. Because there are no flags that tape, I

[Mike Most — account bouncing, bad address]

The last time I checked, Cinema Tools can only remove field based 3:2 patterns, not frame based. I don’t know of any way to remove frame based (as in 720/60p->720/24) other than by first converting the 720p/60 to 1080i/60, which Cinema Tools can and will work with. My experience is that it won’t do anything with 720p material. Has this changed?

[Gary Adcock]

[Mike Most] “Cinema Tools can only remove field based 3:2 patterns, not frame based. I don’t know of any way to remove frame based (as in 720/60p->720/24) other than by first converting the 720p/60 to 1080i/60”

Mike
Since Cinema Tools v3 (FCP 5.04) it has functioned properly for 720 Progressive material. And needed to be at 3.1 to handle the 1080 24pA footage

gary

gary adcock
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[Logan Kelsey]

[gary adcock] “Mike
Since Cinema Tools v3 (FCP 5.04) it has functioned properly for 720 Progressive material. And needed to be at 3.1 to handle the 1080 24pA footage

gary”

First of all, big apologies for my Varicam typo in my subject.

Question:

I just tried to conform to 23.98 in Cinema tools and I

[Gary Adcock]

[Logan Kelsey] “I just tried to conform to 23.98 in Cinema tools and I