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  • Vegas Movie Studio 6 Newbie – transition question

    Posted by Wrathwielder on November 28, 2005 at 7:32 pm

    Hi all!

    I recently switched from Studio 9 to VMS. I like the stability, but I’m REALLY getting frustrated trying to do things that were very simple in S9….

    1) Scene detection – both by CONTENT and TIMECODE…I load up a DV AVI in VMS and for the life of me I can’t find anywhere to have it detect scenes. In S9 I just hit the spacebar and it gave me a thumbnail for each “event”. In VMS will I be forced to do this manually by watching the video?

    2) I can’t get this whole transition thing down in VMS…can it really be this difficult?
    All I want to do it put a transition between 2 events where the audio from the A side fades out and the audio on the B side fades in while the video transition is doing it’s thing.
    In S9 I split the video into 2 thumbnails and just dragged a transition between them…DONE! It automatically centered the transition between the A and B side and handled the audio fade out/in.
    How can I get VMS to do this?
    When I hit S and create an event, I then drag a transition onto the line between the events. This is fine and good, but it doesn’t “center” the transition so the A and B sides switch midway. In other words if I have a “spin” transition, the A video spins and on the flip side should be the B….it doesn’t do this. The B starts after the flip has already happened (sorry for the confusing explanation)

    I then did a CROSSFADE and dragged the B side over the A about 6 seconds. When I dragged the transition into this area, the VIDEO seemed to be great, but the audio does not fade out and in…it “overlaps” during the transition so I hear both soundtracks.
    If I’m forced to overlap the tracks to get the transitions to work, how can I have the audio NOT crossfade but just fade out/in at the split?

    I know this is probably a simple thing and I’ll feel really stupid when you tell me how to do this, but I’m just getting frustrated!

    In S9 I would do quick videos by capturing into a DV file, detecting scene changes (either by content or timecode), dragging each of these detected scenes to the timeline so all that was there were thumbnails for each scene.
    Then I would drag a transition between each thumbnail and burn away!
    This is what I’m shooting for with VMS….is it a pipedream? 🙂

    Thanks everyone!

    -Greg (S9 expert / VMS dweeb)

    Edward Troxel replied 20 years, 10 months ago 2 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Edward Troxel

    November 28, 2005 at 11:09 pm

    [WrathWielder] “1) Scene detection – both by CONTENT and TIMECODE…I load up a DV AVI in VMS and for the life of me I can’t find anywhere to have it detect scenes. In S9 I just hit the spacebar and it gave me a thumbnail for each “event”. In VMS will I be forced to do this manually by watching the video?”

    You can do scene detections based on starts/stops of your camera if the clock is set in the camera. It’s an option in the preferences in the capture program.

    [WrathWielder] “2) I can’t get this whole transition thing down in VMS…can it really be this difficult?
    All I want to do it put a transition between 2 events where the audio from the A side fades out and the audio on the B side fades in while the video transition is doing it’s thing.”

    It’s even easier in VMS, just overlap the two events on the same track. If you want something other than a crossfade, drag the desired transition onto the overlap.

    [WrathWielder] “If I’m forced to overlap the tracks to get the transitions to work, how can I have the audio NOT crossfade but just fade out/in at the split?”

    You will need to shorten the audio of each event (use the “Ignore Event Grouping” button to leave the video alone) and then manually add the fades. For my editing, I usually WANT the audio to fade from one to the other.

    Another option would be to get the full version of Vegas and use a script to perform the exact operation you want.

    [WrathWielder] “In S9 I would do quick videos by capturing into a DV file, detecting scene changes (either by content or timecode), dragging each of these detected scenes to the timeline so all that was there were thumbnails for each scene.
    Then I would drag a transition between each thumbnail and burn away!”

    With the full version of Vegas and scripting, you can write a script to do all the above at the push of a button.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

  • Wrathwielder

    November 29, 2005 at 8:27 pm

    Thanks so much Edward! 🙂

    I understand now how the video crossfade is replaced by the transition you drag there…and I was able to choose an audio fade that drops very quickly so there is very little volume in the center where they cross over…that way you don’t notice that the audio overlaps…
    I will also try shortening the audio like you mentioned, and adding the fades manually…but that might be too much work 🙂

    If I could, two more quick questions…
    1) Do you happen to know of a keystroke that will SPLIT (like ‘S’ does) and then also overlap the 2 events by the default amount in preferences?
    It’s not a big deal to have to drag each one over the other, but I thought I’d see if there’s a shortcut…

    2) Is there a way to join all the frames in an event into a single thumbnail? I’m used to Studio 9 where you split/join thumbnails on the timeline any way you like. I guess you could say each thumbnail is an event all by itself. That way I can end up with 1 thumbnail between each transition.
    VMS determines how many thumbnails to show based on zooming in/out, which is a little confusing (for me).

    Thanks again!

    -Greg

  • Edward Troxel

    November 29, 2005 at 10:09 pm

    [WrathWielder] “1) Do you happen to know of a keystroke that will SPLIT (like ‘S’ does) and then also overlap the 2 events by the default amount in preferences?”

    Technically, a Split and then overlap will DO NOTHING. This is because you are dissolving from and to the same video. However, I believe what you are looking for is: Put the cursor on the split position with the event selected and press / on the numeric keypad.

    [WrathWielder] “2) Is there a way to join all the frames in an event into a single thumbnail?”

    The zoom level will determine the number of frames/pictures you see at once. You can always proceed from frame to frame by using ALT-Arrow.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

  • Wrathwielder

    November 29, 2005 at 10:50 pm

    Thanks!

    When I do a SPLIT (S) it’s between 2 different scenes where the cam was stopped & started…so it actually does have something to transition from/to.

    I will try the ‘/’ key after I do an ‘S’ and see how it works 🙂

    As far as thumbnails, I guess I will try my next capture with scene detection on so I have many smaller AVI files. Maybe when I drag these to the timeline it will show each one as a single thumbnail…

    Thanks again!

    -Greg

  • Edward Troxel

    November 30, 2005 at 1:12 am

    [WrathWielder] “When I do a SPLIT (S) it’s between 2 different scenes where the cam was stopped & started”

    In this case the / key will not work because the two events will simply be extended to create the overlap which means you’ll still end up with a CUT even though they’re overlapped. You either need to overlap them manually or, in the full version of Vegas, you can make all the cuts and then use a script to overlap them all at once.

    Edward Troxel
    JETDV Scripts

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