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  • Vegas. I just don’t get it.

     Chris Borjis updated 17 years ago 10 Members · 19 Posts
  • Dalen Quaice

    May 3, 2005 at 1:20 am

    LOL – they stopped selling that software ages ago… June 30, 2002!

  • Mark Palmos

    May 3, 2005 at 7:29 am

    Hey there Peter

    [Peter Corbett] “or the biggest load of confusing claptrap ever unleashed on the post-production community”

    um.
    yes.

    A zillion bells and whistles does not an Editor make!

    Walking sideways is a paradigm shift which you could probably get used to.
    There is probably a reason why Sony’s higher priced NLE systems look a lot more like Avid, Edit, PP, FCP, and not like Vegas.

  • BJ Ahlen

    May 3, 2005 at 2:52 pm

    “There is probably a reason why Sony’s higher priced NLE systems look a lot more like Avid, Edit, PP, FCP, and not like Vegas.”

    Yeah, when you ask customers to pay $90K for an NLE (XPRI), you can’t expect them to want to learn something new also :O) :O)

    When Vegas 5 was shown at the LAFCPUG “NLE Shootout” a few months ago, a lot of people were gasping at how quickly major editing tasks could be done.

    I don’t think Vegas has more features than Avid or FCP, but its scripting capability is a phenomenal time saver, the competent audio handling (at least equal to Protools) saves time, being able to mix more than a dozen video formats from animation, SD, HD, uncompressed, etc., and 20 or so audio formats freely saves conversion time, multiple takes is a phenomenal feature for voice overs and much else, etc. etc.

    ABC started using it a few months ago, and I think many others will follow.

    So what is Vegas not good for? It doesn’t support film matchback, and there are some newsroom workflows where the rendering method doesn’t fit (station bugs inserted last minute). It doesn’t run on Tiger (on the other hand, I have been using “Spotlight” since last fall on my Windows work station, it’s called “Google Desktop” and it’s free :O). It does support Avid interchange formats, but it’s early days yet and I wouldn’t bet my shop on this working without headaches in Vegas.

    I think there is room for more than one way to edit video!

    The one shining light on the Mac side right now is Soundtrack Pro. If this thing works, it is truly revolutionary.

  • BJ Ahlen

    May 3, 2005 at 5:20 pm

    The quickest way to pick up the Vegas workflow from scratch is probably the book “Instant Vegas” that is probably available in bookstores worldwide (or from Amazon). For a beefier book that covers just about everything you might need, there is “Vegas 5 Editing Workshop.” Both of these are for V5, but 99% of the user interface is unchanged.

    There are also great video training programs, my favorite is one by COW host Gary Kleiner, see https://www.vegastrainingandtools.com/index.html. His videos are not like sitting in the back of a classroom, but instead like sitting down next to a pro who shows you the quickest ways to do things in a real environment.

  • Mark Palmos

    May 3, 2005 at 5:41 pm

    [B.J. Ahlen] “Yeah, when you ask customers to pay $90K for an NLE (XPRI), you can’t expect them to want to learn something new also :O) :O) “

    Well, I’m sure you are joking, (not sure what those colons and noughts mean)

    As far as people ghasping at Vegas, Ive seen people ghasp at Final Cut’s real time abilities, which is quite a joke considering how often I have heard fellow editors refer to working with FCP as being trapped in render hell.

    I happen to share Peter’s dismay at Vegas’ unintuitive workflow. For me a great workflow and powerful media management is far more important than lots of ghasping gimmicky gadgets and gizmos.

    but to each their own, of course…

  • BJ Ahlen

    May 3, 2005 at 9:09 pm

    “not sure what those colons and noughts mean”

    Yes, the so called “smileys” indicated I was being a bit facetious, look at them from the side.

    “dismay at Vegas’ unintuitive workflow. For me a great workflow and powerful media management is far more important than lots of ghasping gimmicky gadgets and gizmos.”

    Vegas workflow is different from a Moviola or Steenbeck film cutting workflow. If one expects the computer implementation of editing to be only a screen replica of how things were done before (because they HAD to be done in a certain way by physical necessity), without considering new possibilities for a more efficient workflow, then one might indeed find it unintuitive.

    I can’t think of any particular “gadgets and gizmos” in Vegas, only a different paradigm that makes editing of especially complex projects with some compositing much faster.

    Media management was always the weak point in Vegas, but the new Version 6 (just released) adds a comprehensive database-based media management capability.

    FCP and Vegas have realtime *preview* without rendering, including of multiple tracks and some effects too. Still when making the final render it takes time (in Vegas about real time or better to render to MPEG-2 for example).

    Final rendering in general is painful on Macs, because their CPUs don’t do well in this area. Many professional Mac users have bought PCs and networked them for rendering several times faster than on a Mac (and for less money too).

    Another nice thing about Vegas is that it may be the most stable NLE, crashes are very rare, you may see a whole year without crashing. Try that with Avid Express or Premiere…

    When it comes to workflow, I have heard many more people complain about Avid’s particular way of doing things than about Vegas ditto.

  • John Baum

    May 3, 2005 at 9:59 pm

    Vegas was the first program I used to do any serious editing. Without any preconceived notions of how a NLE “should” work, I found it incredibly easy and intuitive to learn. I have heard the same from people I work with who are not “editors”.
    Conversely, Avid and Premiere frustrate the hell out of me because they seem to hide things I am used to being able to do directly on the timeline.

  • Yoyodyne

    May 4, 2005 at 4:06 am

    The Vegas workflow seems to be a “love it or hate it” kind of thing. Coming from Premiere, when I first started using it I just could not wrap my head around it. I had to sit down with it and actually do a project before I “got it” – after that editing on anything else just feels clunky.

    just my 02…

  • Chris Borjis

    May 4, 2005 at 11:57 pm

    I had that same exact experience as well Yoyodyne.

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