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  • Ursa 4K RAW

  • Ali Quintana

    November 17, 2014 at 1:42 am

    I am very much interested in this Ursa Cam.

    How ever, I really want to record in 4K RAW and the onboard cards will not record a lot of min and are very expensive.

    Does any one know of an external device that can be hooked up to film for instance in SSD or other formats? But still be able to film in 4K RAW!

  • erik cantu

    November 17, 2014 at 3:07 am

    The URSA doesn’t have a RAW output, so no external RAW recorder is possible. Also, if the URSA’s media cost is too much, any of the external RAW recorders would be certainly way too much for you.
    Consider the BMPC, it records 4K RAW to an SSD internally, for a much lower cost per minute of recording than the URSA.

  • John Fishback

    November 18, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    SanDisk recently reduced prices. It’s still expensive, but better.

    John

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  • Bill Bruner

    November 19, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    I plan to get a couple of these relatively inexpensive Super Talent 64GB CFast 1.0 cards and shoot in ProRes until the prices of the SanDisk and Lexar 2.0 cards come down.

    Each card gives you about an hour of recording time in ProRes.

    Good luck!

    Bill
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  • John Fishback

    November 19, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    I think Atomos also has lower cost CFast1.0 cards.

    John

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  • Bill Bruner

    November 20, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Unfortunately for Atomos, their prices are not even close. As of this post, the Atomos 64GB CFast 1.0 card is $159, while the Super Talent 64GB CFast 1.0 card is on sale for $55.69.

    As with SD cards over the last few years, when the Taiwanese and mainland factories crank up, prices will plummet.

    Cheers,

    Bill
    Hybrid Camera Revolution

  • Marco Solorio

    November 20, 2014 at 12:33 am

    I haven’t personally tested any CFast 1 cards on the URSA, but using them will be extremely limited. At about 80 MB/s write speeds on a 64GB card, you’re looking at a format cap of about 4K 25p PreRes 422 with a record duration of about 15 minutes. Conversely, 1080p60 PreRes HQ will theoretically work (about 62.2 MB/s) at a record duration of about 17 minutes. 1080p24 ProRes HQ would give you about 42 minutes.

    Agreeing with Bill, the Cfast 2 cards WILL continue to drop in price and get larger in capacity. I see a lot more worth with cards that are at least 128GB.

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  • John Fishback

    November 20, 2014 at 1:16 am

    You’re right. I hadn’t heard of Super Talent. Not only are they less expensive, they have better performance specs.

  • Ali Quintana

    November 20, 2014 at 1:17 am

    Hmmm, so if I want to film 4K RAW this camera is basivcally not ready as far as the available cards (if not for ridicioulous prices).

    I love the cam, but sorry, it was all about filing 4K RAW for me on this amazing camera. Sounded too good to be true.

    Hope soon we will have reasonable priced cards available.

  • Marco Solorio

    November 20, 2014 at 5:11 am

    [Ali Quintana] “Hmmm, so if I want to film 4K RAW this camera is basivcally not ready as far as the available cards”

    The URSA has been 4K RAW ready since the first day of its public release. The question asked was in regards to CFast 1, which may not even work correctly (I have not tested it myself). The URSA was designed from day one to use CFast 2 cards in the same manner the ARRI Amira was designed. Having used CFast 2 cards with the URSA in real world productions, I can attest that the performance of CFast 2 is spectacular. Prices have come down on CFast 2 and will continue to do so.

    If you want to shoot 4K RAW on the cheap, then the Production Camera 4K using SSDs is your best best, but you will not have all of the other advantages the URSA provides including 60p now and 120p down the road.

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