Twixtor SHIFTS video. Desired in out point inaccessible.

[Pierre Jasmin]

Check our tutorials if all this is not clear
https://help.revisionfx.com/album/20/

You probably changed the clip in-point in main timeline, if you are in speed mode you will need to slide in nested sequence (as explained in our tutorials) as speed is calculated relative to first frame pre-in point.

yes?

Pierre

[Paul Whishaw]

No. I did not change the in point in the main timeline. When I apply the effect whatever portion of the video that is in the timeline disappears and is replaced by video from much earlier in the clip and the video I am trying to target gets slipped right out of the entire original media clip. So if I make my comp as long as I can to fit the clip and I navigate to the end of the clip/comp, it ends somewhere closer to the beginning of the clip with a huge section of media that is just gone. Pushed into limbo.

Paul Whishaw
PDVpro.com
“If it moves, We’ll Shoot it”

[Pierre Jasmin]

um… did you follow our tutorial?
It might be that you did not understand what I said about sliding the input in nested sequence to frame you want slow-mo to start with if you want to work in speed mode

[Paul Whishaw]

No. I misunderstood the pre-comping the pre-comp.

Paul Whishaw
PDVpro.com
“If it moves, We’ll Shoot it”

[Pierre Jasmin]

I thought you were in Premiere 🙂
You don’t need to precomp the precomp, just drop the clip in a comp and set comp duration as appropriate and slide the first frame you want to the first frame of precomp
Or you can work in frame mode, set view to source, move frame number until you see the frame you want to start, set a KF there, go to the last frame (duration wise) you want, set the last frame you want there.
Then play as needed with in-between KF for frame number

Pierre

[Paul Whishaw]

Got it. Another quick question, without going into masks and tracking points, how much better is the pro version just straight up applied, no messing around. Just fast and dirty. Any difference? Are these crazy pro features offered in the trial version?

Paul Whishaw
PDVpro.com
“If it moves, We’ll Shoot it”

[Pierre Jasmin]

There is Matte layers too, Read and Write Motion Vectors as Images…
(check for example this cool Particular demo using Twixtor Motion Vectors Create — https://www.redgiant.com/videos/getting-started/item/353/

A simple one is a different warping mode (called Forward)

Anyhow the installer drop it as well. If you have a Regular license it leaves PRO watermarked. You can always wait and upgrade later if you need it.

Pierre

[Jamie Wonnacott]

Pierre,

Having experienced some similar issues I wonder if you would be able to clarify my workflow please?

I’ve got a composition of several clips which was created in Premiere to get the video/audio timings right. Clip speeds vary from 100%, 80% and 50%.

I’ve then copied the composition across into After Effects in order to apply Twixtor and Colour Grading.

Now, I appreciate that if I were to have started the project in After Effects I would apply Twixtor as described, choose my desired In-Point as required etc.

However, my In-Points are already defined before adding Twixtor. Once added, my In-Points shift (I assume because Twixtor works relative to the first frame).

In a recent trial with clips slowed to 80% I had to find the In-Point in Premiere and multiply this by 1.25 to find the equivalent In-Point in After Effects. I had to do this for each clip throughout the whole composition. Clearly a laborious task and so I gave up and didn’t bother purchasing Twixtor.

I guess my question is: Is there a way to retain my original In/Out points after applying Twixtor? Or have I misunderstood somewhere along the way?
My ideal solution would be for twixtor to work relative to my In-Point.

Any help to save me from my madness is very much appreciated.
Regards,

Jamie Wonnacott
Creative Video Production Bristol Somerset
Wedding Video Production Somerset

[Peter Litwinowicz]

You are correct is that the in-points shift. But this happens even before you apply Twixtor… presumably you reset the Time Stretch back to 100 on the clip in AE before you applied Twixtor (the Time Stretch setting is equivalent to the Speed setting in Premiere Pro).

There is a workaround that should work: in PP, set the speed on the clip in it’s own sequence. Do not trim this sequence, but put this sequence in the sequence where you are editing, and trim. The rule for what you want to do : do not trim the clip where the speed change is applied, but rather in a parent sequence. In this way the start of the sequence that is speed changed will always be the first frame of the clip, getting around the problem that in-points change.

Then in AE:
Go to the sequence where the speed change occurs, and change the Time Stretch or Time remapping back to be 100%. Apply Twixtor to the clip. You’ll need to then sub-comp the clip if you are making it slower so that you can make the clip long enough, and leaving Twixtor in the parent comp where the speed change happens (this is always what you need to do when slowing down a clip with Twixtor, because Twixtor can’t add frames to a clip!). Remember that the new pre-comp may need to have it’s duration extended in its composition settings. Then it’s this parent comp that’s included in another parent comp where the trimming happens (so now you have two nested comps where in Premiere Pro you just one nested sequence).

To avoid the problem you describe, rule of thumb is this: never trim the front of a clip, nor transition to, a clip or sequence where the speed change is applied. Always nest the sequence so that the speed change sequence is not trimmed or transitioned to DIRECTLY. This way, when you replace PP’s speed change with Twixtor, the sequence with Twixtor is never trimmed directly, which shifts the in-point that causes the behavior you are seeing.

Pete

[Pierre Jasmin]

An alternative workflow that I think would work if you need to timeremap audio as well (AE only)

– Select clip with TimeRemapping Speed applied in Premiere
– Right Click Make New AE Comp
– IN AE select clip and Right-Click PreCompose
– Double click to enter Precomp, Apply Twixtor with default values
– Return to main comp and render

As you see Timeremapping is the inverse of Twixtor speed

Pierre