Trim window

[Andy Neil]

Nope. Unfortunately the only way to see the 2-up display is by using the mouse. Hopefully this will be addressed; I’ve offered them this feedback often enough. My best suggestion is to use the precision editor and zoom in on the edit point so that using the mouse will adjust by single frames.

Andy

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[Oliver Peters]

[Andy Neil] “Unfortunately the only way to see the 2-up display is by using the mouse”

That’s what I figured. Complex trimming is a really weak part of the application. I’m doing a second larger project and it’s all dialogue edits. I almost never make straight a/v cuts with dialogue – all J and L cuts. Lots of extra steps to do that in X. Certainly doable, but twice as much work as in other NLEs. Much easier in 7 and definitely in MC and now also in PP6. Really miss a good 2-up trim window like in MC for properly matching action.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Craig Seeman]

This is one of my peeves. I can live without the viewer (coming to future update) but the two up with mouse only is actually a holdover from FCP legacy. In it’s entire history they never improved that.

[Oliver Peters]

[Craig Seeman] “but the two up with mouse only is actually a holdover from FCP legacy. In it’s entire history they never improved that.”

True, but at least you had a separate trim window designed to appease Avid editors.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Andy Neil]

You can trim with keyboard shortcuts in the 2-up window in FCP7. I’m doing it right now.

Andy

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[Craig Seeman]

This is news to me. Was this something that was added in 7? Maybe I gave up trying after 6. This is not something I think I’d miss otherwise because I often did timeline trimming and cussed a blue streak over this. I spend 12 years on Avid before moving to FCP and Avid circa 2000 still had better trimming features than FCP 2009.

[Craig Seeman]

[Oliver Peters] “True, but at least you had a separate trim window designed to appease Avid editors.”

And what a clunky implementation it was. I was in that trim window all the time in Avid. FCP legacy was a real kludge in that area. I tried using a few times and didn’t find it very useful.

[Andy Neil]

I see. You’re talking about the 2-up window you get from using something like the roll tool and I was referring to the trim window. I really never paid much attention to the roll tool’s 2-up display because I only use the roll tool for rough trims. When I need to be exact, I use the trim window.

It’s nowhere near as good as the Avid trim window (and Premiere looks like maybe the best implementation), but it works fine.

Andy

https://www.timesavertutorials.com

[Craig Seeman]

[Andy Neil] “I see. You’re talking about the 2-up window you get from using something like the roll tool and I was referring to the trim window.”

Yes, the two up window that didn’t two up when using the keyboard. As opposed to the awful trim window which made me cry for Avid as much as I otherwise preferred FCP. True the trim window worked for simpler trims. It was frustrating the FCP didn’t “commit” to improving one or the other.

Given FCPX has no trim window I’d hope they’d make time line trimming work better like improve the decade long lack of two up with keyboard trimming.

[Oliver Peters]

[Craig Seeman] “Given FCPX has no trim window I’d hope they’d make time line trimming work better like improve the decade long lack of two up with keyboard trimming.”

Apple’s announced dual-viewer feature for the next update has been promoted by them as being more than just source/record windows. I would hope that one of the improvements would include trimming as part of how these would work.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com