The Question – An Update On My Choices In NLEs

[Charlie Austin]

[Franz Bieberkopf] “Andrew,

Mixing is editing.

Franz.

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All due respect, in my opinion as a former mixer… not really. Unless you mean getting a good temp mix. 🙂 There isn’t an NLE on the planet, with or without faders, that I’d use for a final mix.

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[Tony West]

[Franz Bieberkopf] ”
I’m not convinced the implementation of stills in FCP 7 is necessarily a result of 32 bit limits. I think it’s just a poor implementation. I’d be interested if you know otherwise (speculation aside).”

I’m not sure either Franz, I’m just glad to not have to deal with it anymore.

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Charlie Austin] “All due respect, in my opinion as a former mixer… not really. Unless you mean getting a good temp mix. 🙂 There isn’t an NLE on the planet, with or without faders, that I’d use for a final mix.”

Charlie,

Yes. Getting a good temp mix. (Or further sometimes.)

In the same way that an NLE has to get good temp colour. (Or further sometimes.)

… or good temp graphics. (Or further sometimes.)

… etc.

Franz.

[Walter Soyka]

FCP7 wasn’t bad at animating stills because it was 32-bit. It was bad at animated stills because it was designed to edit video, not animate.

For comparison, 32-bit Motion had no trouble at all animating stacks of stills (with effects & lighting) in real-time.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Walter Soyka] ”
We are all well-served by having a commonly accepted codec like ProRes, but can you think of something more important to properly standardize than your mastering and delivery codec?”

But this is kind of my point, Walter. There are already standardized formats available for deliveries.

Not very many people seem to enforce them.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Walter Soyka] “ProRes is as dominant as it is today because it is a) good, and b) the only practical codec you could/can use with FCP. It’s not because other formats are bad.
“

Not, but you can export ProRes and transcode to something other “standard” for delivery. Why haven’t the SMPTE approved formats been adopted industry wide?

[Walter Soyka] ”
I’m not sure I think anything 5 years out in post… but I think it’s a pretty safe bet that barring Apple acquiring GoPro, you will not be using CineForm.

Whether you should be or not is a separate question!”

[Walter Soyka] “I’m not saying Apple should have given it away. I would gladly pay Apple for a QuickTime ProRes encoder. If such software were available, Apple probably would have had my money instead of GoPro.

AV Foundation not supporting third-party codecs, though… that piece of non-development is straight from the dirty tricks department.
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If Telestream can license it, why can’t anyone else? If 5 years isn’t enough time to make a standard, who is going to spend all the development time and money to come up with yet another standard, just so that it sits there, used by few.

I’m also with Charlie that AV Foundation will probably take 3rd party codecs one day. For now, it’s a security and bandwidth issue, or you have to know Apple to get on the approved vendor list. FCPX uses third party codecs natively and even considers them “optimized”. It can’t be that far away for the OS.

[David Lawrence]

[Charlie Austin] “You can work around it, but you shouldn’t have to. It’s a basic feature and it’s missing.”

Same with select/copy/overwrite paste in the primary. There’s no reason this simple function should be missing.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Franz Bieberkopf] “Charlie,

Yes. Getting a good temp mix. (Or further sometimes.)

In the same way that an NLE has to get good temp colour. (Or further sometimes.)

… or good temp graphics. (Or further sometimes.)

… etc.
“

Fair enough. 🙂 I’m in the “don’t need faders to do that” camp, but I can understand how one would prefer them.

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Charlie Austin]

[David Lawrence] “Same with select/copy/overwrite paste in the primary. There’s no reason this simple function should be missing.”

Again, don’t use that really, but yes, it should be there in the primary at least. There probably is a reason, but they need to fix/work around whatever it is… 😉

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Tony West]

Yeah, this is the part that matter to me

[Walter Soyka] “It was bad at animated stills “