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The Question – An Update On My Choices In NLEs
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[Charlie Austin] “It’s pretty basic function in any NLE, and there’s stuff in the guts of X that indicate it was/is a planned feature. A lot of stuff people “miss” does fall into the “stop trying to do it like (insert other NLE here). Not this. :-)”
[Simon Ubsdell] “Seconded.”
Charlie, Simon,
So, what’s the criteria for categorizing “basic, necessary functions” vs. “different priorities, different approaches”?
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “So, what’s the criteria for categorizing “basic, necessary functions” vs. “different priorities, different approaches”?”
Hopefully for those of you who want the replace clip feature the longest response doesn’t carry the most weight with Apple.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “So, what’s the criteria for categorizing “basic, necessary functions” vs. “different priorities, different approaches”?”
I can only talk about the absence of true Replace Edit which makes a lot of my day-to-day work very difficult indeed – if I happen to choose to work in FCP X. There is no quick and easy way of executing a similar function as things stand and yet I need to be able to do this quickly and easily on a regular basis.
In the last two weeks, I have had four jobs where this function was essential and where the turnaround time meant that I wouldn’t have been able to deliver had I been stuck with X. As it happens I was working in FCP7 and got all the jobs done in time.
No doubt Apple with all their prescience have foreseen a future where I won’t need this function – but that future hasn’t arrived yet.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “So, what’s the criteria for categorizing “basic, necessary functions” vs. “different priorities, different approaches”?”
For me, it just comes down to being able to do something just as easily as in anything else. If I have to do it in a different way, that’s fine, as long as, once mastered, it’s easy. The X timeline for instance. For me, my workflow, magnetism and lack of tracks makes no difference. I can accomplish the same thing as in another NLE just as easily. It’s different, but who cares. I really like it. However, there is no “different” way to do match frame replace. You can work around it, but you shouldn’t have to. It’s a basic feature and it’s missing.
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[Simon Ubsdell] ” There is no quick and easy way of executing a similar function as things stand and yet I need to be able to do this quickly and easily on a regular basis.”
[Charlie Austin] “However, there is no “different” way to do match frame replace. You can work around it, but you shouldn’t have to. It’s a basic feature and it’s missing.”
Simon, Charlie,
Yes, I would agree. It’s just that this measure is pretty subjective.
I suppose “most requested” and general popularity of feature applies.
I don’t use this function much, so it doesn’t have much impact on me. But others dismiss, for example, an audio mixing interface (outside the timeline) as essential – because they don’t use it. To me, it’s basic.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Yes, I would agree. It’s just that this measure is pretty subjective.
I suppose “most requested” and general popularity of feature applies.
I don’t use this function much, so it doesn’t have much impact on me. But others dismiss, for example, an audio mixing interface (outside the timeline) as essential – because they don’t use it. To me, it’s basic.”
You can work around the absence of a mixer prettily easily – indeed there’s a good case to be made that using a mixer in an NLE is a slower more cumbersome way of working than the alternatives.
If you can’t actually deliver the job quick enough because of the absence of a particular function, in this case the absence of a true Replace Edit option, then it’s a really big deal, whether or not that’s a niche requirement for the vast mass of editors out there.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I am not following then.”
Yes, we agree, then!
[Franz Bieberkopf] “”not faster” than what?”
I don’t know. That’s why I asked!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg
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[Simon Ubsdell] “You can work around the absence of a mixer prettily easily – indeed there’s a good case to be made that using a mixer in an NLE is a slower more cumbersome way of working than the alternatives.”
Simon,
For some work, undoubtedly that is true. For other work the mixer is much better (complex real-time keyframing on more than one track at a time is a breeze with a mixer, particularly when you can leave the mouse behind and put your hands on faders).
It will depend on the editor and the work.
As to alternatives:
[Charlie Austin] “You can work around it, but you shouldn’t have to. It’s a basic feature and it’s missing.”
The point that gets lost every time these discussions come up is this – what is crucial for one person is trivial for the other. Insisting on one perspective or dismissing the other doesn’t do much to move the conversation forward.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “The point that gets lost every time these discussions come up is this – what is crucial for one person is trivial for the other. Insisting on one perspective or dismissing the other doesn’t do much to move the conversation forward.”
I agree that one man’s steak is another man’s cardboard, but to Charlie’s point gaps like these can only be filled by Apple (or whomever makes the NLE) and first and foremost NLEs should be strong editors. Audio mixing, color correction, compositing, motion gfx, etc., can all be handled by outside applications or augmented by 3rd party plugins if what’s offered by the NLE isn’t strong enough but the same can’t be said when it’s an editing feature/function that’s lacking.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Audio mixing, color correction, compositing, motion gfx, etc., can all be handled by outside applications or augmented by 3rd party plugins if what’s offered by the NLE isn’t strong enough but the same can’t be said when it’s an editing feature/function that’s lacking.”
Andrew,
Mixing is editing.
Franz.
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