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The new HPX-300
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[John Cummings] “Not sure what the point is Jeremy, but please don’t get me going on THAT issue again!”
The point was the cost of tape vs P2, and it just happened to be you that I was talking about it with. That’s all. Please don’t take this personal. I am not trying to throw jabs.
Also, since then, I have acquired a PCD20 5 card reader and ShotputP2 Pro. It is fall down easy and will do all of your cards for you while you eat dinner with the crew. I do it all the time. It’s about a 2:1 ratio (32 Gigs takes 16 minutes). You’re in Chicago, I’ll show it to you if you want.
[John Cummings] “Were you one of those kids that stuck the stick through the fence just to tease the poor dog? “
No, I was the dog. Making more sense now? 😉
Jeremy
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I’m inviting everyone to come to chifcpug’s meeting next week, I’m demoing ShotPut Pro!
Gary will be talking about Red workflow.
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Eisen Video Productions
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[Erich Roland] “I’m trying to find the middle ground (or the common denominator products) but it may just not be possible.”
Ah, but what middle ground?
Really a much larger issue, especially when the smaller and smaller tools create issue where in many cases that lower cost prosumer camera is actually better for a job that a more “professional” tool.
Not to mention what is middle of the road in my area of expertise is far different than someone else.
Tools are tools, we got very used to having to single use tools in this industry, and now the latest offerings give more than most users will EVER USE. When I first was asked to speak on the HVX200 one of my main points was that even though the camera had 20+ shooting modes, I warned people to not try them all out at once.
I have hammered nails with many things that were not a hammer, and while all of them accomplished the task to varying degrees, only the hammer did it with the speed, grace and minimal amount of effort not to mention collateral damage.
I see cameras the same way, while the HVX200 or EX1 can capture offspeed they are limited- yet the Varicam allows me to ramp frame rates, offers more frame capture options, better lens selection, etc.
I just do not see the world as a place one camera is going to cover all of the bases.
Yet.
gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production WorkflowsInside look at the IoHD
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Wow, an amazing amount of electronic ink has been spilled on this subject.
To pick up on Gary’s tool analogy, I think Erich was simply saying that the 3700…with full varible rates…would be a nice sort of “swiss army knife” camera in his inventory. Not perfect for every job…but good enough for most. I can see that.
I think we should now concentrate on the most important issue. Do we have any shot at making this the longest thread in Cow history?
I wonder what the record is, and on what subject…
Oh, and I can see why they call Chicago the Windy City.
J Cummings
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cameralogic.tv
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Gary, very well stated.
I’m not sure the world really needs or wants too many products to choose from. I think having so many choices available makes the consumer/producer spend way to much time and energy figuring out the perfect tool, and takes away needed brain cells to work out the details of WHAT to build instead. The idea of “one size fits all” wont likely happen anytime soon, but in my corner of this industry (long form doc) in what I shoot 95% of the time they’re should very well be one camera that’s the obvious choice (say in Pany), but its getting more fractured, and a bit unclear when it shouldn’t be that tough to figure out.
It has been very clear for many years up until the last round of new P2 products just within the last year. Now many people in my business (owner/operator free lance documentary) don’t know what to do, so most are doing nothing or taking a big risk to buy into a new product at a bad time to be doing so.
I realized there are many other situations out there, but this is my experience and I talk to a lot of people who do what I do, and many feel the same way. I guess its all about volume, and so Pany listens to the TV station and not the freelance cameraman who can realistically just buy one expensive HD camera that needs to service a lot of different clients needs. Currently I would need about 3 full size 2/3″ cameras totaling over 100k to service most of my clients assuming some of them wanted P2. (but most have not bought into it… yet)
This is why they should have brought a transition Varicam to market with both a tape transport and a few P2 slots. This camera would be selling off the shelf even in tough times.
best, Erich
Erich Roland
http://www.dc-camera.com
HD camera rentals, Washington DC
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that’s too funny John! What is it about Chi-town that has so many people in this forum?
Erich Roland
http://www.dc-camera.com
HD camera rentals, Washington DC
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[John Cummings] “I think we should now concentrate on the most important issue. Do we have any shot at making this the longest thread in Cow history? I wonder what the record is, and on what subject…”
This thread doesn’t even come close. There are threads over the years that have been pages long and include days of discussion, hammering out ideas from a wide range of views, by many users.
But the most important issue is play nice, I don’t want to have to shoot anyone … again.
🙂
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
Creativity is a type of learning process where the teacher and pupil are located in the same individual.
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RE: Kevin Bachar and the HPX-500 being Bronze for Discovery.
Actually, Jan just mentioned that it was cleared for the Silver tier:
https://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1541638&postcount=6
McGee Digital Media Inc.
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That’s it shoot for the silver!!!! Now who won the silver medal to Michael Phelps…oh yeah…no on remembers.
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Two questions…
Discovery’s Gold Bronze and Silver…. someone said that you needed a 2.2mil sensor to qualify for Gold? Isn’t that really a new development anyway? so wouldn’t it make sense they they change their standards on a regular basis. When the newest technology comes out will they want 3mil chips instead of 2.2 and will the new 3mil chips offer all the other bells and whistles right out of the box either? Just wondering.
1080psf someone said something about 1080 never displays more than 540 lines interlaced? can someone explain to me what 1080p is then? i’ve never heard of “psf”
Sorry for my ignorance i’ve been at the prosumer level for a while and spending most of my time editing. I would be happy to be able to afford one 20k camera let alone a 65k.
Thank you all so much, the swelling in my brain from reading this entire thread will hopefully go down sometime next week.
-Joe
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