The missing option…

[Jeremy Garchow]

LUTs also transform gamma, not just color.

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “LUTs also transform gamma, not just color.”

Yes, I was using a very literal definition of color in the sense that a gamma change IS a color change — but you’re certainly right to point out that LUTs don’t just shift hue.

Walter Soyka
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[Mark Dobson]

I noticed that there is CLogtoRec709 setting which could be useful as I film with Clog switched on pretty much all the time but as with all these plugin the proof will be in the pudding if you know what I mean.

Certainly more useful than the latest Cineflare plugin ‘Handheld’ which simulates rubbish, out of focus, shaky camerawork. This could put me out of work.

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “But Lut Buddy, is slow. Sure, there’s giant price point between free and Glue Tools, but you see what I’m saying. All filters are not created equal, and LUTs aren’t always simple drag and drop operations. Sure, they can be GPU accelerated, but this is Apple we are talking about here.”

I hope that FCP7 does not set the bar here for effects processing. Poor performance is a choice now.

But I guess you are right to point this out. As Oliver is fond of pointing out [link], Apple does seem to have a faster pipeline for their own FCPX-native “effects” than the Motion pipeline available to third-party developers.

Walter Soyka
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[Sandeep Sajeev]

[Walter Soyka] “LUTs are not traditionally used for creative looks,”

For those that haven’t considered using LUT’s as a creative tool:

https://juanmelara.com.au/print-film-emulation-luts-for-download/

S.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Walter Soyka] “I hope that FCP7 does not set the bar here for effects processing. Poor performance is a choice now.”

I only used FCP7 as X hasn’t really had a LUT option until now. The LogC option is built in to FCPX now and it works well. How well is this 3rd party filter going to work?

[Walter Soyka] “As Oliver is fond of pointing out [link], Apple does seem to have a faster pipeline for their own FCPX-native “effects” than the Motion pipeline available to third-party developers.”

Right.

What is interesting is that there is a “Color Space Override” option in FCPX that is a simple drop down menu that transforms color profiles. It is only available on footage where the profile does not match the assumed space (say 601 on a clip that should be 709). I wish we could add true LUTs to this ,not just color profiles, and that it would work on any clip. The performance is fantastic, but it’s a lot less math than what is typically a 3D LUT.

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Sandeep Sajeev] “For those that haven’t considered using LUT’s as a creative tool:

https://juanmelara.com.au/print-film-emulation-luts-for-download/“

Nice one.

[Walter Soyka]

[Sandeep Sajeev] “For those that haven’t considered using LUT’s as a creative tool:”

I didn’t meant to say it couldn’t or shouldn’t be done. I’ve used LUTs exactly this way myself, and there are actually quite of few of them for sale for various grading packages.

Any technical tool can be used creatively. But in contrast with a more creative-focused tool like MB Looks as Kent mentioned, LUTs offer no tweakable control. LUTs don’t have qualifiers or localized adjustments built-in. They simply globally transform color set A to color set B. That’s the distinction I was trying to draw.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Sandeep Sajeev]

[Walter Soyka] “I didn’t meant to say it couldn’t or shouldn’t be done.”

I know. I added that link for those just getting acquainted with LUT’s. It can be quite technical when first encountered, and Juan does a really good job making it simple.

S.

[Walter Soyka]

By the way, Sandeep, thanks for the tip a couple weeks ago on Mamba. 3D LUTs and lots more, all in real-time.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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