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The missing option…
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[Walter Soyka] “LUTs don’t have qualifiers or localized adjustments built-in. They simply globally transform color set A to color set B. That’s the distinction I was trying to draw.”
I do like that this one seems to have a “mix” adjustment so you can at least add more or less LUT flavor as needed.
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[Sandeep Sajeev] “For those that haven’t considered using LUT’s as a creative tool:”
Pointless. What sensor/lens combination were this LUTs created with to make them accurate? Utterly pointless to use LUTs like this.
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[Gary Huff] “Pointless. What sensor/lens combination were this LUTs created with to make them accurate? Utterly pointless to use LUTs like this.”
Why would accuracy be a requirement when using a LUT aesthetically?
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Yeah looks like SGO have hit the sweet spot with Mamba. It has all the comp functionality that an assist station needs. They need to start knocking out more tutorials and demos though, as they make the strangest front-ends in the industry, and Mamba isn’t going to be easy to learn.
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I think in such situations, when you’re not going out to film, and are working within an environment that gives you both visual and numerical feedback, you can safely use a LUT as a creative complement to your grading process.
Accuracy of the LUT is not really the critical factor here.
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[Walter Soyka] “Why would accuracy be a requirement when using a LUT aesthetically?”
Exactly.
Used in the way that Sandeep linked to, it is very similar to something like MB Looks, it’s just meant to emulate actual film stocks instead of overall looks of movie/TV Shows.
It has often been said that choosing a camera and the inherent color schemes it provides is akin to choosing different film stocks.
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[Walter Soyka] “Why would accuracy be a requirement when using a LUT aesthetically?”
Because you like the look of a particular film stock, but that film stock look doesn’t look anything like it’s supposed to when you apply it because it’s incredibly limited by being based on what was used to generate it in the first place?
Have you ever played with these “looks” LUTs? You’ll get better results with Magic Bullet Looks.
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[Gary Huff] “Because you like the look of a particular film stock, but that film stock look doesn’t look anything like it’s supposed to when you apply it because it’s incredibly limited by being based on what was used to generate it in the first place? Have you ever played with these “looks” LUTs? You’ll get better results with Magic Bullet Looks.”
You’re still thinking about it too technically. The process in question here is not, “Oh, I like the look of Kodak 2393, I’ll use that LUT” — because you’re right that LUTs are not color space-independent. You’d need a custom LUT for each combination of input and output spaces.
It’s more like running through these as totally canned presets — “Click, oh, I don’t like that, click, don’t like that either, click, ooh, this one looks nice…”
There is no reason you can’t get fine results with this process. Of course you won’t have the degree of control that you’d have with Looks (which is actually a pretty sophisticated package if you dig into it) or a proper grading app, which comes back around to why I said LUTs are generally technical and not creative in the first place.
If you’re really into film, FilmConvert [link] looks really promising, and to your point, works in part by being aware of the acquiring camera.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “If you’re really into film, FilmConvert [link] looks really promising, and to your point, works in part by being aware of the acquiring camera.”
Yeah, I got that one, but I just see this LUT packs as being a waste of money. You can do exactly the same thing with Magic Bullet Looks, but with better ability to tweak (Looks may be more gimmicky than anything, but you do get the Colorista and Cosmo interfaces within, two plugins I use extensively).
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[Sandeep Sajeev] ”
Accuracy of the LUT is not really the critical factor here.”My point isn’t even about accuracy. It’s the fact that the direct correlation of values is so out of whack, that it usually looks like shit and you have to basically tweak the hell out of it anyway, so what’s the point?
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