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The interface is still annoying
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[Paul Neumann] “You buy a ticket, you’re allowed to boo.”
Yep,
But if you buy your ticket, and because you’ve got a headache (or your significant other is pissed off at you so you’re just cranky) – so you badmouth a movie simply because you were in a crappy mode that had little to do with the actual movie – and if that movie is getting increasingly positive reviews – and more and more people are coming up with well-reasoned discussions of some of the artistic merits of the movie – if you KEEP just yelling about how crappy it was, sooner or later everyone figures out that what you’re saying isn’t actually about the movie – it’s kinda about you.
So feel free to boo. That’s your right. Just as it’s our right to try to figure out if the basis for your arguments are valid, or just crankiness.
That’s how it works.
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[Mark Dobson] “I really don’t see the advantage of the new import and export windows, If it ain’t broke why fix it, and where has the share monitor gone? The only way to see if an export has finished is to watch my CPU activity monitor.
And for me whilst having an Event Viewer can be useful for certain jobs I keep on trying to use the skimmer within it?
For me the most useful addition is the copy clip attributes feature.
What I’m waiting for is the new MacPro. I’ve got the idea that that will resolve all my day to day problems with FCPX although through reading some of the posts on this forum even those with the latest MBPro machines have issues.”
The share monitor isn’t gone. I never saw it before I installed compressor unless I had clicked on the sharing section in the background tasks window. Not much need to look at CPU. What a bizzare comment. There’s a big circle right in the middle of the app that tells you if processes are ongoing. Click it for details. You’ll see your sharing right there.
So turn off the event viewer and be happy. I sorta think it’s pretty dang useful, but if you don’t do multicam or color correct your shots, or do any matching action, then maybe not. Yes, the skimmer should work. It was a interim step I guess.
A current/new iMac would probably resolve your problems. I have an iMac that’s over a year old (although the latest best version that exists) and I don’t have, well, any of the performance issues that get listed here. I think they’re mostly Mac Pro users. Flat out, I don’t think FCP X works that well on a Mac Pro because it it highly based on utilizing the sandy and ivy bridge hardware. The graphics card is only part of the equation. Yes some MBPros have the issues, but I’m guessing, just from the fact they’re MacBook Pros, they might be lacking in RAM. 16 is the new minimum. Although I rarely see it using more than about 5 or 6 of my 16. 16 gigs of RAM for an iMac is $80.
I would think the best new features would be pips, blading through all tracks or a subset, and overriding clip connections. That pretty much puts the editing toolset much much closer to that of 7.
I learned how to use it and have very few issues anymore. Total feature set aside, the actual power of the software is far greater than legacy which seems like a toy to me now. I mean, FCP 7 really isn’t very viable anymore unless all your footage is the same codec, same frame rate. It’s kind of an inverse situation. The guts of X are incredibly solid, but the interface and feature set is evolving. With legacy, you have a foundation that has been obsolete since 2007. Maybe even from it’s inception. There are so many basic issues with FCP legacy they never did fix and bugged me for the better part of 12 years. But the feature set grew to be fairly large, capable and compatible. But the guts, they’re just not up to par anymore.
I stand by my list of why FCP is professional –
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/42665
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Bill’s right. I’m such a dick.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “As you say – like a lot of people I like a lot of what is in FCPX – but the timeline is beyond problematic, and the timeline is where I do my job.”
Bingo.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I’m not trying to be snarky here Jeremy, but stop and consider that statement in the context of this being editing software.
As you say – like a lot of people I like a lot of what is in FCPX – but the timeline is beyond problematic, and the timeline is where I do my job.
i don’t know if Apple could swallow that much intellectual humble pie, but they need to throw out that timeline.”
The thing is, I can say the same about some of Adobe’s media management. Things can disappear of you aren’t careful. It COULD be catastrophic. And this one I can prove repeatedly.
Today was the very first time I have heard that someone lost the first three seconds of their timeline by relaunching fcpx.
Adobe themselves have changed the editing interface a bunch from Pr CS 5.5 to 6 for the better. Their media management didn’t change.
I like Adobe, I’d be nothing without them, and think they are doing great work, but I have to use that example as a case in point.
I find the media management and shared user environment of CS6 to be rather problematic.
While FCPX’s timeline mechanics might be kind of weird and different from fcp7, I’m not going to have as much trouble getting a clip based timeline to something like Resolve as I do with Premiere. Archiving, restoring, and reconnecting in fcpx is much less hassle than cs6.
While the timeline is where I do most of work too, all those little details of the how, where, and why of the media directly effect my day to day job as well.
Different strokes for different folks, but I find 10.0.6’s timeline improvements to be actual improvements. I find the shared user environment and media management (even its rather rudimentary state) to be pretty good, as in professionally good.
The timeline can, will, and has changed as fcpx grows up.
I do think they are still creating (and I hate this word) the fcpx paradigm. If anyone has lost patience, I get it. There are plenty of alternatives.
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[Oliver Peters] “I am in the middle of finishing up a Media Composer job started by another editor and I am struck at how much faster and easier it is to manipulate clips in the timeline in MC than it is in X. Simply because the interface is not trying to “help you”.”
Yeah, I’ve really come to enjoy my editing in Media Composer, and Premiere, for that matter. It was a funny curve for me to get back aboard MC–I’d gotten so used to FCS’s timeline logic–but trimming, movement, and general manipulation are now becoming second nature. I’m sure that if I made the same sort of effort for X I’d see rewards there, too, but I just can’t get inspired to do so. I can see the advantage of the time I put into MC (Premiere didn’t really take any rethinking because it is so close to FCS) but I can’t see anything beyond curiosity taking me that deep into X.
The one thing I really do miss in Avid is to have multiple time lines open. Being able to have a variety of source windows open is close, but not quite the same. Premiere does this quite well.
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[Paul Neumann] “Bill’s right. I’m such a dick.
“Well, you know its true. Getting between Bill and his precious is a dangerous sport.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “As you say – like a lot of people I like a lot of what is in FCPX – but the timeline is beyond problematic, and the timeline is where I do my job.
i don’t know if Apple could swallow that much intellectual humble pie, but they need to throw out that timeline.
“THEY need to swallow “humble pie?”
Please.
The unending need in some to come here and try to convince those of us who are having great success with X – that we’re simply stupid to realize that we shouldn’t REALLY be having that success.
It’s like someone showing up for your big party then spending their entire time loudly complaining about the music – while continuing to STAY at the party.
Want different music? No problem. Go find a different party. But to hang out at this one, and contribute little more than to sit up every little while and bellow this song SUCKS too.
That’s just lame.
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I’m in full agreement with the media management for PPro – however, given the scale of what is underway with asset management in adobe anywhere, that is likely to be a very moot point in 12-18 months, its plain adobe have a massive bullseye on media management.
In someways its the inverse of FCPX – the timeline is pretty damn excellent I find, and there is no junk on it. the only bloody animation is me moving clips.
but.. the media management and project architecture (one at a time) is effectively AE’s, and that isn’t appropriate for an NLE. But again – it is beyond obvious with what adobe is preparing with anywhere that this is about to change in a pretty dramatic fashion.A last point – a lot of people, you know how you are, he said darkly – opined a number of times over the last 18 months that clip connections were a representation of the mystical underlying object model in FCPX. that they were an unbreakable outcome of the data substructure.
Apple, with one keystroke, are now negating clip connections. It is however, a temporary shift key operation.
A Caps lock version might be an idea.
Then I select hide connections, and then clip connections are gone if you want them to be. Something like this – buried in preferences away from casual eyes, would be an almost Avid type “remove the magic menu preference” move – Don’t like clip connections? turn them off in advanced preferences.
while I’m burbling…. On the issue of tracks, (maybe I’m thick here but it hadn’t occurred to me this way) but on the issue of tracks I had a minor revelation staring at the individual broken out tracks .6 – when we say tracks, and we ask for tracks, I think we’re really talking about them in relation to audio, not video. that we get an understandable, visually coherent, controlled track interface to manage audio elements of the edit.
Because I don’t really care about naming video tracks or actually explicitly having them – I’m just clumping video on top of each other same as I always was – less the stupidity of connected clips and modal editing states –
it not like V tracks have the master attributes they have in AE say – a video track doesn’t have transfer mode options – the clips do – its always been that way?
I’m sure what I’m talking about falls apart pretty easily, but I’m intrigued at the idea that there could be a split, I don’t think I care if explicit video tracks ever come back, I usually video mute objects, and rarely video tracks – but the idea that the bottom half, the audio half could invoke tracks would be interesting. Again that probably makes no sense though from a software standpoint.
As for giving up on FCPX – no. I paid for the thing, and I will continue to noodle with it. Some parts of it are very, very far ahead of any other NLE – titling, CC masking, multiclip (never used it in anger), rapidly interrogating large volumes of material – in those areas FCPX seems pretty seriously far ahead to me.
But they need to fundamentally reassess the timeline model – they also need to kill 90% of the animations, at least as an avid style preference option, because the visual information they are giving is redundant and in rapid editing sequences they fundamentally mess with my head for no good reason.
Its like having a chisel with fairy lights and a buzzer that sounds every time you make a hit.
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[Paul Neumann] “Bill’s right. I’m such a dick.”
Well, my term would likely have been “impatient” – but I certainly don’t know you as well as you do.
(couldn’t resist)
; )
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