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The interface is still annoying
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[Bill Davis] ”
Want different music? No problem. Go find a different party. But to hang out at this one, and contribute little more than to sit up every little while and bellow this song SUCKS too.
“Bill, God knows it will never occur to you, but this isn’t your party. People come here to shoot the spleen/breeze on this software, throw stones at it and defend it.
it appears not to get old.
What I think you may need Bill, is the Bill Davies forum, Hosted by Bill Davies, moderated by Bill Davies, wher Bill Davies debates the issues of the day with Bill Davies. There you can fully control the music.
And like I said above – I paid my money for this software, and I will throw stones at it, and apple, until my arm gives out. Also – who doesn’t like a rant?
we both certainly appear to.And we are none of us anonymous trolls, its proper public square stuff.
In the end, you’re just another lowly poster Bill – you have no say beyond the keyboard, like everyone else. Its not fair is it?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I’m in full agreement with the media management for PPro – however, given the scale of what is underway with asset management in adobe anywhere, that is likely to be a very moot point in 12-18 months, its plain adobe have a massive bullseye on media management.”
We like what we like. I could say the same about FCPX’s timeline (different in 12-18 months). I just won’t need a multi GPU’d and Adobe Approved SAN to run it.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “A last point – a lot of people, you know how you are, he said darkly – opined a number of times over the last 18 months that clip connections were a representation of the mystical underlying object model in FCPX. that they were an unbreakable outcome of the data substructure.
Apple, with one keystroke, are now negating clip connections. It is however, a temporary shift key operation.
A Caps lock version might be an idea. “
If you mean me, I didn’t say that. As a matter of fact, I wanted this kind of functionality, and now it’s here and works well. It allows things to stay put without desperately trying to append a bunch of screwy storylines as tracks.
A caps lock version you say? Here, have this bug: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/344/14672
[Aindreas Gallagher] “But they need to fundamentally reassess the timeline model – they also need to kill 90% of the animations, at least as an avid style preference option, because the visual information they are giving is redundant and in rapid editing sequences they fundamentally mess with my head for no good reason.”
I think it needs to be carried further. I know it’s unpopular, but PIOPs completely f*cked up my flow. I’m kinda pissed about it actually, but Apple did a solid PR move. I expect PIOPs to remain unchanged forever, persisting as the people wanted. I guess I’ll deal with it.
In the same vain, is hate to see tracks all of a sudden return becuase people bitched and complained about not having them, yet those people don’t really use fcpx as an editing tool or can’t bother to learn other ways of working.
The timeline index as a sort mechanism, and Roles to differentiate the clip groupings would be cool and keep building on the new conventions.
And some keyboard controls to navigate clip layers would be nice.
I agree the animations could completely go away, but don’t get rid of the scrubable effects previews.
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Regarding your points Oliver, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and finally, yes.
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I’m not doubting what happened to you. But I find it hard to reconcile stories like this. I’ve been using FCPX every day since February on non-inconsequential work, and I’ve never had data suddenly disappear.
I finished a project in X (10.0.1), then returned to it a couple of weeks later and every single clip was offline. Since this was the first version of the software I couldn’t reconnect anything so I lost the entire project. I hadn’t made any changes to my folder/file structure or moved anything around in my Finder, it just refused to see the clips. Granted this was on the 0.1 release, but just because it hasn’t happened to you doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. Luckily it was a personal project and not critical in any way but still, rather annoying.
On another note, one of the things that X is usually credited for is speeding up people’s workflows, however I find it takes longer to log clips in X than in other NLE’s. Maybe I’m not approaching this correctly but once imported I’ll rename the clips, then have to assign that same name as a keyword so that I can organize the clips into folders in the Event Browser. It seems like adding more work rather than speeding it up.
Not that I dislike X but I agree with Oliver, I enjoy CS6 and MC a lot more.
Ben.
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FREEBIRD!
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[Jeremy Garchow] “but don’t get rid of the scrubable effects previews.”
beyond agreeing – the effects architecture is ludicrously fast and effective, people on avid clicking, as we speak, into insane, nested effects are on a stone age, light with flints, mars in my opinion. when is the last time anyone cared about boris effects for gods sake?
– again – a lot of stunningly good stuff is sitting in the undifferentiated FCPX trash heap.
also bud – I wasn’t referring to you with the connection thing, I was just taking the broad p*ss in the round.
on this –
[Jeremy Garchow] ” those people don’t really use fcpx as an editing tool or can’t bother to learn other ways of working. “
granted apple have a problem here, but inarguably their core problem is that they are not actually reacting to vibrant user comment, they are reacting to fundamental paid editor/facility market rejection – we both know that the action of editing currently shows little sign of operating within FCPX. If anything opinions have hardened, or in a sense worse, it has begun fading from view?
I actually recently offered (vaugely not right really, not Andy’s machine) to install FCPX off my license in one of my primary client’s edit suites – I just wanted to see it perform with some stuff – they exist massively with C300 and 5D stuff, some Alexa. I wanted a sneaky in anger run with it, I wanted to get annoyed and truly desperate using it, and these guys are nearly entirely online, its a sweet fit – no go. Sure – they’d never go for something that slapdash, but on the whole its either FCP7 with fingers in the ears, a little PPro, and not a lot – or FCP7 formally transitioning to Avid. Particularly in advertising.
Its real baby steps though – a senior editor at a major american advertising firm with a london shop pointed out that the issue is that, in London, it became quite an FCP town – quite a few high value commercial editors in London, and the shops that pitch them are, in many cases, FCP based.
As the smart egalitarian tool, FCP won large in London. Avid was half beaten into the ground.
Its different to LA in that way. Avid got rolled over a lot more. So the issue of what happens to the FCP skills base is sharper, given that FCP produced a generationally different editing approach, inasmuch as it was housed in FCP, not Avid.
Do you know anyone making a formal move to FCPX your end? Even in a limited seat capacity?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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A 2008 MacPro is not faster than a current 3.4 ghz iMac. FCP X also ties into sandy/ivy bridge which is unavailable in a MacPro. As well, an interface such as Thunderbolt, does not come equipped on a Mac Pro. You could add a $250-$400 eSata raid card and get half the speed of thunderbolt though. And done forget to drop $300 on a better graphics card because I’m pretty sure even the radeon 6970m is going to be faster than what Mac pros are / were offering. IMac happen to come with a $1000 display built in too.
I can’t really see why anyone would purchase a MacPro. Apple can’t either, so they don’t advertise them or sell them in their stores.
For speed tests google geek bench scores and you can see where every Mac lands in overall speeds. It doesn’t take into acct FCP and sandy/ivy bridge though.
Beyond all that, it can be argued that Premiere is Professional, or Avid, but it just can’t be said about FCP 7. I can see comparing X to CS6 or Avid, but 7 is just not a contender anymore. It was barely squeaking by in 2009, but having to convert material to the same codec and frame rate just doesn’t fly anymore. Not being able to use 4000×4000 or bigger stills is ridiculous. The titler, in its own little window has been bad for 12 years. We put up with it for 12 years because it was on feature mostly with Avid and far cheaper and could run on cheaper machines. So when Avid started dropping prices and opening up hardware, and Premiere got its act together, it’s future was iffy. Apple elected a controversial direction instead of instead of just adding more bloat and making it 64bit. So be it. But it’s hard to argue that 7 is professional and X isn’t.
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According to Apple, there is a little “Pro” in all of us. So the fact that it says “Pro” just means it’s for everyone.
Except me.
Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “What I think you may need Bill, is the Bill Davies forum, Hosted by Bill Davies, moderated by Bill Davies, wher Bill Davies debates the issues of the day with Bill Davies. There you can fully control the music.”
First, I don’t know anybody named Bill Davies.
Second, remind me NEVER to have a shop you’re associated with create the titles for any project I ever work on.
Have a nice day.
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Jim,
In agreeing with Oliver are you giving up on X?
I find your situation the most similar to mind and I am falling for the software more and more, even after almost swearing it off after losing a day’s worth of work.
I started a big industrial video on PP6 in anticipation of really getting into the PP/AE workflow but found myself longing for the ease of X, and eventually moved the project to X. I also found the improvements in .6 to be incredible.
I have two big things on my wish list: My personal move away from my 2008 MacPro, and some semblance of a send to Motion feature.don walker
texarkana, texasJohn 3:16
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