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The iMac “Pro” rumor looks interesting
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[Scott Witthaus] “an issue with focus, consistency and quality control”
This cannot be overstated loudly enough. Just examining the text tools in AE, PP, AI, and PS … hello? Can Adobe institutionalize that already? Please.
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[Richard Herd] “Can Adobe institutionalize that already?”
That’s always a problem when you have disparate teams developing products independently. Audio in Logic and audio in FCPX follow a completely different design philosophy, for example.
In the case of Adobe, they are actually in a multiyear process of making the products more cohesive. For example, there’s a lot of integration and consolidation around Premiere. For instance, the bulk of SpeedGrade is now inside Premiere and as a result, SG is essentially dead. It’s probably an effort that never stops. In you notice the changes in AE over the past few versions, the rewrites have made it more aligned with Premiere – at least in terms of UI and style.
Regarding text in Premiere, that’s a vestige of a former plug-in or add-on app. On the other hand, it’s fast and lightweight and has some benefits over PSD files. However, you can certainly use PS as your Premiere Pro titler and many folks do.
– Oliver
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[Richard Herd] “[Scott Witthaus] “an issue with focus, consistency and quality control”
This cannot be overstated loudly enough. Just examining the text tools in AE, PP, AI, and PS … hello? Can Adobe institutionalize that already? Please.”
Not trying to defend Adobe… but this is a lot harder than it looks, especially when you have large sections of each user base that don’t want them to change a thing. I also think it’s easy to overlook the fact that there isn’t another suite of creative applications that are designed to work together as well as Adobe’s offerings. ☺
Shawn
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Seems to match a lot of what I’m seeing these days. I have to say that after teaching post workshops for a number of years at a local college film program, the general computer literacy I encounter has gone down over the years. Largely the effect of phones as computing devices.
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Sorry, but what does any of that have to do with speed i.e. performance?
I also have no clue how the UltraStudio bug is an Apple one, unless you know (not suspect or allege) something definitive that I don’t? Just because it works better in another app doesn’t automatically mean it’s the apps fault. It’s a driver issue, as it has been many MANY times before in BMDs history and specifically with the UltraStudio.
[Oliver Peters] “Loading a large project takes a long time, even though all cache files have been built when first created and files imported…”
Okay. I’ll give you that one for prosperity ????, even though it merely affects startup, not work performance per se. Though since 10.3 I can’t say it’s even at a level anymore here that it bothers me or somehow slows me down to a degree even worth mentioning. So I don’t exactly see that a showstopper by any stretch. Just one of those bugs that, as before, is sure to get fixed in the next couple of updates. Assuming it even is one and not system related, since I wouldn’t be too sure.
[Oliver Peters] “FCPX currently has a HUGE bug in that it constantly loses UI focus.”
Erm… HUGE?? A “show-stopper“??! Not the least bit hyperbolic, no. ????
If you want a REAL “showstopper”? Try something like the “flashing timeline thumbnails” bug in Premiere, that actually stopped your show. And it went on for over two years! What the… Though I’m not even sure it’s actually been fixed yet, I just haven’t seen mention of it in a while, so it could even be three years running. I can’t think of a single bug in X, certainly not of that magnitude that survived any where near that long, sorry.
So yeah, every app has bugs. No exceptions. That’s nothing new. But that wasn’t my question. I mean aside from random niggles and bugs, what are those “other cases” where “Premiere performs better“?
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[Scott Witthaus] “issue with focus, consistency and quality control”
Oh god yes. ???? The seemingly constant, mindless race for the longest feature list. The number one thing I seem to hear from Adobe users is “Why give me that new feature xyz and not just make the ones it already has work first?”
[Scott Witthaus] “I would be extremely happy if Apple would focus on seamless movement between FCPX, Motion and Logic.”
I personally find the integration very seamless, though there’s always room for improvement, sure. For one, Motion’s integration is exponentially deeper with X than it ever was with 7, as well as that of AE in PPro.
[Scott Witthaus] “Maybe buy or create a Photoshop alternative.”
For me that already exists in Affinity’s Photo. Only it’s actually FAST and you don’t have to rent everything you do with it. It can do vastly more than I and probably 95+% of any editor will ever need. But that most likely even applies to something like Pixelmator as well.
Aside from that being a vast market that is already well taken care of and one I think Apple clearly isn’t interested in at that level anyway. “Photos” is only in it’s infancy, too. I suspect there’s a lot to come there, too, though surely no PS replacement.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] ”
[Oliver Peters] “FCPX currently has a HUGE bug in that it constantly loses UI focus.”Erm… HUGE?? A “show-stopper”??! Not the least bit hyperbolic, no. ????
If you want a REAL “showstopper”? Try something like the “flashing timeline thumbnails” bug in Premiere, that actually stopped your show. And it went on for over two years! What the… Though I’m not even sure it’s actually been fixed yet, I just haven’t seen mention of it in a while, so it could even be three years running. I can’t think of a single bug in X, certainly not of that magnitude that survived any where near that long, sorry.”
Please screen capture this bug that brings Premiere Pro to it’s knees. I have been using Premiere Pro for over 10 years and I have no clue what you are talking about. Could it be OS X instead of Premiere Pro since I don’t experience this on the PC side?
I find your response rather odd. If someone in the Premiere Pro forum has a problem or bug with Premiere I don’t ever point out the faults of FCPX. What good would that do? Would it not be best to help find a solution for FCPX (if one exists) rather than bad mouth Premiere Pro?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I also have no clue how the UltraStudio bug is an Apple one,”
It works well with everything, except FCPX. That makes it an Apple problem. Furthermore, there’s some sort of feedback loop going on, because it directly impacts how responsive FCPX itself is. It’s not just that video is stuttering or being dropped in the external output. I realize AJA may or may not have the same issue, but I don’t have that option.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Try something like the “flashing timeline thumbnails” bug in Premiere, that actually stopped your show”
I have no idea what you are referring to. I’ve never seen that myself.
[Robin S. Kurz] “I mean aside from random niggles and bugs, what are those “other cases” where “Premiere performs better”?”
You wanted specific examples. I believe I adequately answered the question.
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[Oliver Peters] “I realize AJA may or may not have the same issue”
They don’t. Therefore: driver.
[Oliver Peters] “I have no idea what you are referring to.”
Apparently no one has heard of Google either. ???? It’s an easy search. There are endless threads on the topic. One example: https://adobe.ly/2paRcMh or even a lovely video to go along with it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBh7NO4HINI
[Oliver Peters] “You wanted specific examples. “
I did. Only none of what you wrote, aside from maybe the waveform thing, had anything to do with general use i.e. performance that could be relevant to ALL users of either app. As I said, “niggles and bugs” or rather specific use cases that may apply to you, but say nothing about the performance for any and everyone overall, which is what I was looking for. Unless of course you’re saying “FOR ME”, in which case, that’s fine. Just not what I took it to mean or meant myself.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Apparently no one has heard of Google either.”
It’s not a matter of searching. It’s simply nothing I’ve ever encountered, nor seen with any of the other editors using Premiere that I encounter. However, I also never set up the timeline in Premiere with thumbnails.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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