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The iMac “Pro” rumor looks interesting
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Yeah, this has been making the “told ya so” rounds. As if anyone was saying that the MP is somehow up-to-date.
BUT, for me, the real irony in the whole test is that it doesn’t in fact show how horribly underpowered the MP is, but rather how horribly optimized (not!) Adobe software is. Because I can in fact do the exact same operation this “speed test” does in Affinity Photo… guess in what amount of time? Right, in REALTIME. Oops. The “performance discrepancy” theme that unfortunately runs the gamut with Adobe apps, with very few exceptions. And yes, the results of the image are absolutely identical. No cutting corners in terms of quality or what not on Affinity’s part, sorry to say.
So before anyone get themselves in a bunch about how horrible their hardware is, they might actually try using software that isn’t stuck in the 90’s code-wise first? ????
Oh… and never mind that comparing the two in terms of overall specs (and therefore price) is a bad joke to begin with and just classic click-bait for the sake of unadulterated confirmation bias for the adobePC trolls of the world. Yet another wet dream in their “completely unbiased” ???? world.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “So before anyone get themselves in a bunch about how horrible their hardware is, they might actually try using software that isn’t stuck in the 90’s code-wise first? “
I’ve been wondering about that actually.
Isn’t one point of Adobe going Cloud was to shorten their development cycle and get the code out of the 90s?
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[Richard Herd] “Isn’t one point of Adobe going Cloud was to shorten their development cycle and get the code out of the 90s?”
I doubt anyone here has any idea whether the underlying code is from the 90s or not. I highly doubt that. Design and concept – maybe – depending on your POV. But actual code – doubtful.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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PS: and FWIW, I run FCPX, Premiere and Resolve on a new Mac Pro. FCPX performs better, but not by much. In other cases, Premiere performs better.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “whether the underlying code is from the 90s or not.”
I didn’t mean it quite that literally, no. Let’s just call it a little facetious hyperbole. ????
[Oliver Peters] “In other cases, Premiere performs better.”
I’d be very interested in concrete examples.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “BUT, for me, the real irony in the whole test is that it doesn’t in fact show how horribly underpowered the MP is, but rather how horribly optimized (not!) Adobe software is. Because I can in fact do the exact same operation this “speed test” does in Affinity Photo… guess in what amount of time? Right, in REALTIME. Oops. The “performance discrepancy” theme that unfortunately runs the gamut with Adobe apps, with very few exceptions. And yes, the results of the image are absolutely identical. No cutting corners in terms of quality or what not on Affinity’s part, sorry to say.”
Your inept logic is why Apple is loosing some of it’s creative customers to MS. Having said that what is your point? Are you saying the AMD computer could not make use of Affinity Photo? The issue is CPU performance not software. Having said that a lot of People do like the Adobe Software the same way you like FCPX. Speed and price are not everything are they? There are very cheap editing software programs for the PCs that can make use of Intel’s Quick Sync. In fact they did it before FCPX. If some of these programs that are $49.99 can render 15% faster than FCPX on the same specs you are not going to ditch FCPX for the $49.99 software are you? You are not going to say FCPX is to expensive and has out dated code. Am I correct?
[Robin S. Kurz] “So before anyone get themselves in a bunch about how horrible their hardware is, they might actually try using software that isn’t stuck in the 90’s code-wise first? ????”
Apple cannot even come close to Adobe’s offerings. Nor can anyone else for that matter.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Oh… and never mind that comparing the two in terms of overall specs (and therefore price) is a bad joke to begin with and just classic click-bait for the sake of unadulterated confirmation bias for the adobePC trolls of the world. Yet another wet dream in their “completely unbiased” ???? world.”
Trolls of the world? Unadulterated confirmation bias? You make it clear that you hate Adobe and love Apple. Someone posted about AMD’s new CPU being a better option for some people and you have to use it to bad mouth Adobe. Having said that your response should be “Apple needs to bring their A-Game with the new Mac Pro and iMac. We should have more options”. Have you even bothered to think FCPX might perform better with the Ryzen 1700 CPU for $300.00 as opposed to a $1500.00 Xeon CPU? You are way to eager to criticize Adobe when Apple should be criticized as well.
For the record if HP only sold AMD CPUs in their computers I am sure they would get criticized for it. If Dell only sold Intel chips in their computers I am sure they would get criticism as well. What if Apple only sold Intel Chips in there OS X computers? Some people believe Apple is above criticism. I say get real!
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[andy patterson] “Apple cannot even come close to Adobe’s offerings.”
I might offer that Adobe CC has too many offerings and has an issue with focus, consistency and quality control (and this was confirmed by Adobe personnel at SXSW). I would be extremely happy if Apple would focus on seamless movement between FCPX, Motion and Logic. Maybe buy or create a Photoshop alternative. Give me those four that work great together and I (and probably about 80% of editors) would be very satisfied. Just my humble opinion.
Scott Witthaus
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I’d be very interested in concrete examples.”
I’ll skip the operational ones, since those could be project-dependent. And quite frankly, I could argue for either application, and Media Composer, too, depending on specific functions and tasks. But, here are some specific technical issues. The system I mostly use is a 2013 MP with an external BMD UltraStudio Express for i/o. This is nearly unusable with FCPX. Fast JKL playback causes the viewer to freeze on frames. No issues with Premiere or Resolve. This means that if I want to use X, I can only use HDMI (or no external output) since there aren’t other i/o options available at this company.
I have multichannel mono audio on files. I cannot hear these in X until I modify them to stereo. Again, an UltraStudio compatibility issue not present in other apps.
I just tested an MP4 import. This was from a folder containing the mixed audio on an additional, separate WAV file. There is a mix on the MP4 file, so the WAV is a backup. Upon import, X brought the MP4 in as video-only, even though it had audio on the file. Presumably it misinterpreted something, because of the fact that a separate WAV file was sitting next to it in the folder.
Loading a large project takes a long time, even though all cache files have been built when first created and files imported. It seems to take a long time to redraw all the waveform files all over again just for the UI. Premiere’s equivalent “loading” process is considerably faster and optimized to prioritize media files related to the open sequences.
FCPX currently has a HUGE bug in that it constantly loses UI focus. I’ll be working in the timeline and frequently I lose control and have to invoke the timeline or browser commands to gain back focus. This has become a complete showstopper for me when doing fast, first-pass edits in sequences.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Interesting article: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/pc-companies-must-sell-to-businesses-or-die-but-what-about-apple-2017-04-11
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter -
[Robin S. Kurz] “a little facetious hyperbole.”
Fake news!
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