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[Charlie Austin] “tracks can make it easier to see the organization of an entire sequence at a glance”
Not exactly, and we are talking about audio. The tracks do not tell us bussing and sending, or other DAW type stuff like compression, EQ, reverb. The track is basically an in and out point.
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[Richard Herd] “[Charlie Austin] “tracks can make it easier to see the organization of an entire sequence at a glance”
Not exactly, and we are talking about audio. The tracks do not tell us bussing and sending, or other DAW type stuff like compression, EQ, reverb. The track is basically an in and out point.”
True. Which is why DAW’s exist. 🙂 Would be nice to see all that quickly in *any* NLE. in any case, tracks in an NLE, to me, are superfluous. They slow things down when cutting. 😉
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[Andy Neil] “That’s not true. A fixed track NLE editor just has to do it at the front end. In Avid, you have to assign audio to certain tracks manually as you edit and also continue to keep that audio organized throughout the edit process for the “at a glance” notion to work.
In FCPX however, no track assignments are necessary. And with one step, a particular role can be highlighted and understood.”
Andy, in both kinds of NLEs organization has to be done. Roles or track assignments. Take your pick. I’ve been talking about something else: the ability to intuitively ‘read’ the timeline audio at a single glance, once the organization is done. But you of the trackless persuasion ( I mean most everyone here except Steve and Charlie, when he’s not in full ministerial jacket or laughing too crazily to think straight 🙂 are a hard lot to get to see things rationally. Highlighting roles may work well but it’s a work step.
I think I’ll get back to my day job of rustling cattle.
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[David Cherniack] “But you of the trackless persuasion ( I mean most everyone here except Steve and Charlie, when he’s not in full ministerial jacket or laughing too crazily to think straight 🙂 are a hard lot to get to see things rationally. Highlighting roles may work well but it’s a work step. “
Two tiny notes.
Everyone here who cuts on X almost without exception also spent a LONG time cutting on a traditional NLE. So it might be seen as fair to imagine that we have a pretty solid base from which to compare the approaches.
To go along with that, most of us X editors here appear NOT to be concerned with the stuff that the folks who are viewing it from the outside seem to be obsessing about.
So ether 1) we’re not wise enough to understand these problems AFTER experiencing both approaches, 2) these issues actually aren’t as important as the outsiders think, or 3) there are problems, but we as X editors have found them far LESS important than the myriad benefits we find in X editing.
It’s kinda got to be one of those three doesn’t it?
Yet we’re still solidly behind the X approach. Go figure.
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[David Cherniack] “Andy, in both kinds of NLEs organization has to be done. Roles or track assignments. Take your pick. I’ve been talking about something else: the ability to intuitively ‘read’ the timeline audio at a single glance, once the organization is done.”
The problem is, David, you’re equating two things that aren’t even remotely equal. In many cases, Roles can be assigned automatically upon import into FCPX (at least into it’s default roles). You can’t import a clip into an Avid which will always drop onto A10.
In FCPX, I can select a number of clips all at once and change their role at the same time. You can’t make all your sfx clips always fall to A5 no matter where the track assignments are. The kind of organization that you do in FCPX to keep your audio straight isn’t close to the amount of time you have to spend at each stage of the edit doing the same thing for a track-based editor. In overall seconds, minutes, hours, and button presses, you are spending a TON more time in Avid keeping an “at a glance” timeline than you do to create and view an “at a glance” timeline in X.
You are suggesting that there is “extra” work involved for FCPX editors in order to view and understand their timeline because they have to highlight the role in the index for certain types of clips to be easily seen and their purpose understood. But you completely ignore all the “extra” work you do as a track based editor to get to that point. Way more than an X editor has to do.
And for your information, I’m not of a “trackless persuasion” as you put it. I’m working on an Avid right now and I’m happy to do all the organization work I do to keep my edit and timeline clean. But FCPX isn’t some wild, indecipherable mess of a program simply because it doesn’t have tracks. I’m just trying to clear up misinformation about how X works. It’s not more work to keep an X timeline organized for quick understanding, it’s much, much faster.
Andy
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Right, Bill, I forgot that you are the pinnacle of objectivity about FCPx 🙂
Move along l’il doggies.
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[Andy Neil] “I’m not of a “trackless persuasion” as you put it. I’m working on an Avid right now and I’m happy to do all the organization work I do to keep my edit and timeline clean. But FCPX isn’t some wild, indecipherable mess of a program simply because it doesn’t have tracks. I’m just trying to clear up misinformation about how X works. It’s not more work to keep an X timeline organized for quick understanding, it’s much, much faster.
“Exactly. I’m cutting away in PrCC as we speak. Nothing wrong with it, but using tracks when cutting is not faster. At all.
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[David Cherniack] “Right, Bill, I forgot that you are the pinnacle of objectivity about FCPx 🙂
But that’s about ME. Say something about the CONTENT that I wrote.
If the village idiot says the barn’s on fire, it doesn’t matter if he’s an idiot. If the BARNS ON FIRE.
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[Charlie Austin] “tracks in an NLE, to me, are superfluous.”
Yep. And it’s very difficult to explain that. It’s just something that has to be experienced — an ostensive concept 🙂
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[David Cherniack] “the ability to intuitively ‘read’ the timeline audio at a single glance,”
Since a notion of being rational was brought up, what you’re saying is a beg the question fallacy. You posit the following: “I can read it because I can read it.” 😉
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